Groups with a 'cluster' mode

I am requesting an option that allows me to save a group as a 'cluster' that will all act as one. For example. A gig has 20 x ColorForce 72 set in mode 4. (12 cells at RGBA per fixture). So there are 120 x RGBA fixtures in the eyes of the console.

If I create 20 groups. each to represent 1 complete CF72. I select highlight, grab group 1 though 4, CF72 1 through 4 will fully highlight. Just like it should.
But then I go and press NEXT to jog though the fixtures, but instead, it goes cell by cell. I would like it to go from CF72 to CF72.

Yes, I do understand the 'BUDDY' option. But I find this to be extra steps, and only works if you have all like fixtures with an even count.
For example. If you have 3 truss rings. One 10ft, one 20ft and one 30ft. The 10ft has 8 fixtures. the 20ft has 15, and 30ft has 32 fixtures. And you create groups to represnt each ring. With the desire to highlight and NEXT/BACK each ring. Buddy will not work as the amounts are not even.

Having a 'Cluster' option when recording a GROUP would fix this. When a GROUP is in 'Cluster' mode, The console would program this group as a single fixture. Aka, the parameters set will be the same across all fixtures in that cluster. So in the case of the truss rings. The console would technically be working with 3 fixtures.

This feature would be helpful when programing EFX on the fly. Doing a color chase, or intensity fade in/fade out using the FAN option would make for a nice quick and dirty cue.


  • ShrunkenNedShrunkenNed Registered User, Hog Beta
    What you are asking for was implemented in the past year.
    Check the manual section 5.3 and 5.4 for compound fixtures and dotted user numbers.
    Basically for a Colorforce 72 in 12 cell mode, give the 12 parts user numbers 101.1 > 101.12
    When you type 101 @ Full, the whole bar will come up.
    101.1 @ full will bring up just the first cell.
  • rseybertrseybert Registered User
    How do you apply that a group of different fixtures? Say VL3500 spots. If you wanted to create a simple intensity chase across three groups of fixtures without passing through each individual fixture and only stay in the three chunks of lights, do you have to still apply the point system?
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    Select all your vl3500, eg 1 thru 12, select buddy size to 4, apply a chase efx, fan it... done...
    this will give you three groups of 4 fixtures having the same fanning
  • TheColonelTheColonel Registered User
    That works if you want an even number of fixtures in each group but that's not what eqrunner was asking for.
    eqrunner is asking to have those 3 groups consist of different quantities of fixtures (8,15, and 32) but act like 3 groups of the same quantity of fixtures.
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    Thats why I was saying it to rseybert ;-)

    But for the eqrunner was requesting or your example:
    Patch 55 cells, then use dotted usernumber, 1: goes from 1.1 to 1.8, 2: 2.1 to 2.15, 3: 3.1 to 3.32.
    Now you get the cluster, selecting 1 will give you 8 fixtures, 2 will give you 15, and 3 will give you 32.
    When you now apply an effect and leave buddy parts active you get those 3 groups to work each as one fixture.
  • TheColonelTheColonel Registered User
    My bad, I missed it was to rseybert, the first response didn't really explain it as you just have.
    That makes much more sense.
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