Remote focus or control of hog PC?

JeffMJeffM Registered User
Any apps for android that work good? Running WIN 7

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  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited February 2013
    Have a look here in the forum for the keywords: OSC and TouchOSC
    There you will find a lot of useful informations
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited February 2013
    The best remote is still a Tablet PC running HogPC as a client console.

    I did write a template for OSC that works with an Android app called "Control".
    Here is the thread:

    http://forums.highend.com/showthread.php?t=13964

    Hope this helps. :)
  • JeffMJeffM Registered User
    edited February 2013
    I guess I am either lazy or technically challenged when it comes to having to figure out or self develop a way to remotely control my Hog PC system.
    I find it quite ironic that High End has dodged the MAC OS for Hog PC, but makes an app for Iphone and Ipad to remotely control it. Go figure that one.
    I need an app for my Samsung phone or perhaps some sort of tablet.
    If the OS was already MAC, it would make perfect sense to go out and get an Ipad and then they would just network without any special apps.
    Since I am forced to continue to hold on to PC based OS just because of Hog, I am stuck. My Mac has Win 7 bootcamped. I also have a stand alone Win 7 machine for my Hog PC to send out on big shows.
    I don't speak the Lingo here. OSC? RDU? WTF????
    Just like asking for a decent software to use for fixture builder as the HOG one blows chunks!!!
    I am happy to pay for a good remote focus device for my Hog PC with the software or app to allow me to use it. I know I can take a laptop up on stage and lug it around, but that is way too cumbersome to do. A remote should be just that. A remote that is small, portable and easy to handle and work with while on the stage.
    I go to links that people send me to to read this and that. It might as well be me trying to read Portuguese.
    I like the idea of a lighting company that makes the OS, also make a remote.
    I like the idea of going to a website and paying for a remote and it showing up at my door in a few days and I am done. Or an app. Downloading it and it work and I am done.
    How hard would that be? I guess I am dreaming here.
    If anyone that reads this has a legitimate link to what I am wanting, feel free to post it.
    Thanks
  • datadriverdatadriver Registered User, HES Staff
    edited February 2013
    JeffM wrote: »
    I find it quite ironic that High End has dodged the MAC OS for Hog PC, but makes an app for Iphone and Ipad to remotely control it. Go figure that one.

    In reality, we haven't created an app - we make available a template that can be loaded on an app someone else created (TouchOSC). That's a difference of a few hours for the template vs a few years for full Hog on MAC OS.:rolleyes:
  • Michael_GrahamMichael_Graham Registered User, Super Moderator, HES Staff
    edited February 2013
    Jeff

    Please read section 19 in the Hog manual.
    It has a small intro to OSC (Open Sound Control).
    We have created OSC templates that will load on your iPhone/iPad.
    OSC will allow you to control every button, encoder, fader on the H4, FB4 and RH4.

    Marty has created an Android OSC template and I'm sure others have created other OSC templates for other platforms.

    If you have an iPhone or iPad the app is under $5.00.
    Not sure about the cost for the app on Android but I would guess it would be about the same.

    I know we have said this before but we are working on a true Hog4OS RFU.
  • price4192price4192 Registered User
    edited February 2013
    Keep in mind...
    If you are using HogPC (ie: a Nano Hog), the fader and encoder movements will be disabled on OSC.
    (Unless this has recently changed)
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited February 2013
    Not sure about the cost for the app on Android

    Both "Control" and "TouchOSC" are free on the Android platform (as are the vast majority of Android apps).
  • JeffMJeffM Registered User
    edited February 2013
    I know we have said this before but we are working on a true Hog4OS RFU.[/QUOTE]
    I don't necessarily worry whether or not a device(hardware) is developed to use for RFU since there are devices already in use by humans like smart phones and tablets that should be able to run a proprietary application that would allow us to run through a focus from the stage or bring up a group of lights, or adjust and save position pallets on moving heads.
    I am so ready to have that. I don't have an Iphone or Ipad.
    I have a Samsung Galaxi 3 phone. I will however go buy an Ipad if that is what it takes. Is that what it takes?
  • datadriverdatadriver Registered User, HES Staff
    edited February 2013
    JeffM wrote: »
    run a proprietary application that would allow us to run through a focus from the stage or bring up a group of lights, or adjust and save position pallets on moving heads.
    I am so ready to have that. I don't have an Iphone or Ipad.
    I have a Samsung Galaxi 3 phone. I will however go buy an Ipad if that is what it takes. Is that what it takes?

    No - the OSC template we provide only allows an interface to manipuilate physical movable controls such as keys and encoder wheels. You don't get any feedback other than LED and fader synchronization.

    Do not buy an iPad for TouchOSC thinking you have a remote focus unit with pallete/directory feedback as if you had Hog4PC installed on a tablet and were walking around on stage with it joined to your show over a wireless network.;)
  • JeffMJeffM Registered User
    edited February 2013
    datadriver wrote: »
    No - the OSC template we provide only allows an interface to manipuilate physical movable controls such as keys and encoder wheels. You don't get any feedback other than LED and fader synchronization.

    Do not buy an iPad for TouchOSC thinking you have a remote focus unit with pallete/directory feedback as if you had Hog4PC installed on a tablet and were walking around on stage with it joined to your show over a wireless network.;)
    Well, your statements are contradicting themselves.
    You say that the OSC template you provide allows you to manipulate the keys and encoder wheels. So by example I take that to mean I can say hit the keys 21 and then hit @ full and the light comes on that is 21. I can then hit the record key and hit the group key and type whatever group number with the keys and hit the enter key and I just created a group in the group pallet.
    Same goes for making position,color, and any other programming function.
    So how is that not possible to use as a remote focus unit if I can type the channel number key and hit highlight then next, next, next and so on?
    I either am misunderstanding or I am understanding quite well and you did just contradict yourself.
  • datadriverdatadriver Registered User, HES Staff
    edited February 2013
    JeffM wrote: »
    So how is that not possible to use as a remote focus unit if I can type the channel number key and hit highlight then next, next, next and so on?
    I either am misunderstanding or I am understanding quite well and you did just contradict yourself.

    The OSC app gives no feedback on what you entered. This means no visibility into the command line and no ability to display the palette directories. It is not possible to see mistakes, typos, or entries appearing in the incorrect group directories.

    This is why the OSC app is not a true remote focus unit - because you cannot see what you are entering nor can you display programming information already entered. I am discounting perfect typing and error free input because it doesn't happen, especially on a touchscreen. I also have to discount a perfect memory of directory items entered, because if that existed we would never have to display them on the console either.

    I don't mean to turn you off on OSC, I'm just trying to make sure your expectations aren't too high. I would suggest borrowing a friend's iPad, spending the 5 bucks on the TouchOSC app, and experimenting to see if it truly meets your needs.:outtahere:
  • inthe128inthe128 Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited February 2013
    Currently I find it fine, you need to understand that there is no feedback from the app. For walking around to check lights or use on stage during a conventional lighting focus its a more than handy application. Also for running cues and not being at the console is also useful perhaps to see a result of a look somewhere else in the house. I have in the past had to be on stage and someone else run a cue while I stand with an actor on stage to sort out a timing problem, so I can be happy I have this to help out with.

    As there is no feedback then the big problem is doing moving light focus while your on stage. You will have no idea if you did manage to "Record Merge Position 20" or update a scroller to colour 18. In this case and so far I have not made a mistake, taking it slow and carefully is doing it for me.

    A dedicated app is needed and I think what OSC allows you to do is fine, as in programmer and playback options, just needs to give some feedback, offer palette views and its a winner.
  • AndreiAndrei Registered User
    edited February 2013
    Over 6 years ago the iPhone was released, yet we still don't have a native remote focus application.

    Does anyone have any iPhone Developer contacts that they could send through to Barco? I am hoping that they can take the smallest percentage of the money I have spent with them buying 5 consoles (including 2 x Full Boar 4's in the last month) and just have the thing externally developed once and for all. If banks, airlines and governments can provide external development teams API access into their applications for an iPhone app to be developed, I am sure this is possible for a lighting desk!!!

    Andrei
  • shandy666shandy666 Registered User
    edited February 2013
    I use a view sonic tablet ( cheap as chips) running hog PC as a second desk on network
    It works great for rfu with full feedback !!! There are a few issues using hog PC on tablet but on the whole levels and pos are easy !
  • nibornibor Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2013
    Ok , just purchased a H4 where can I find the Iphone app and would someone give me a little bit of a description on getting the console wireless please .


    R
  • shandy666shandy666 Registered User
    edited May 2013
    Any windows tablet can log on to show as a second desk with full feedback !! On a iPad you can use osc commands but no feed back !! There are osc bits on this forum !! I use my windows tablets and have had very few probs !!
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2013
    shandy666 wrote: »
    Any windows tablet can log on to show as a second desk with full feedback !! On a iPad you can use osc commands but no feed back !! There are osc bits on this forum !! I use my windows tablets and have had very few probs !!

    you get feedback on osc but not the command line or so
    but all LED states are shown
  • datadriverdatadriver Registered User, HES Staff
    edited May 2013
    nibor wrote: »
    Ok , just purchased a H4 where can I find the Iphone app and would someone give me a little bit of a description on getting the console wireless please .


    R

    Sure - you just need to plug the console into a wireless router. Then open up WIFI settings on your iPhone and attach to that router.:cool:
  • Five12Five12 Registered User
    I have never had any issues running my hog 4 with my phone or tablet using my touch osc template. My encoders work perfectly, my faders work perfectly and always see my feedback. Infact I've used my tablet to op one room while physically oping another room at the same time because it works so flawlessly.
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