HELP WITH EMULATOR??

silvasilva Registered User
edited December 2007 in HES Automated Lighting
Been oferded good deal??? on 4x emulators + controller for low dollars.
No lamps in light units & no idea what model controler is.No idea what there worth.(lamps or the lights):confused:
Can anyone give me a basic run down on what these things are capable of?
Can put some pics on msn if need bee. Offer closes Sunday.ANY HELP APPRECIATED.:rtfm:cANT FIND MUCH INFO SO FAR BUT KEEP LOOKIN.Thanx:Eyecrazy:

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  • LightenupLightenup Registered User
    edited November 2006
    I am guessing you are referring to the 4 on Trademe. Seems like good value to me at this stage, but it depends on what you want to do with them. The drawback is that the lamps will cost you an arm and leg. I found a site that is selling the lamps E150X for $379 US. Don't know if they are availible in NZ easily, except try calling Oceania Lighting in Auckland. Also be aware that they are made in the early '90s, and dont run DMX, but you can always download the instructions from here under the support section.
    The purpose of these lights is to create a laser effect without actually being a laser. They do some pretty funky patterns and colours, and were the best you could get in the early '90s when real lasers cost an absolute fortune. Nowdays small lasers are selling for a reasonable price just about anywhere.
    If you can source the lamps for them cheaply, then they are worth a try. The trouble is that without the lamp, you can't easily tell if the rest of the fixture is working properly either, so you have to take the chance.

    I hope this has been some help, or am I way off the mark?
  • silvasilva Registered User
    edited December 2006
    nope ya bang on.I found a site with lamps 4:$156 u.s (if i lookd up the right bulb,part num:55030042 af 1000 HO1 xenon lamp?)PLz let me know if im onto the wrong one.Have plugged 2 of them in as they had bulbs in.1 tryd to strike but then stopped so i guess the bulb had it.the other ran but no striking.other two need fuse fittings in the rear panel.Gonna leave em till after xmas then buy 1 bulb and sort out if they all work or not.mite have 1 for parts.paid $400 4x Emulators + contrller.Wish me luck
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Silva,
    As for the lamp, that is not the correct lamp,
    the unfortunately the only place I know to get that lamp is here in the US.
    the lamp you mentioned is the strobe lamp for a AF1000.
    Also, Interactive technologies made a DMX to Emulator box, I believe you still can special order it.
    if that helps you.
    Good Luck
    Joshua Wood
    Service Manager
    Ruehling Associates Inc.
  • silvasilva Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Thanx 4 all ya help.Awesome.So is the lamp that lightenup said the right one 4 these.(e150x)?And if so does anyone know where to get em.?can you buy from HES site?Gona try lampspecs here 1st.Thanx again
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Best place for Emulator lamps is Lightparts.

    www.lightparts.com

    After all these years Emulator is still one of my favorite fixtures!:headbang:
  • LightenupLightenup Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Well, my advice is to try Radium lamps in Glenfield, Auckland. They are rather helpful, and may have what you need. Way cheaper than Lampspecs. They are all USA made lamps, and can cross reference their model numbers with what you want.
    Incidentally if you visit
    www.solarisnetwork.com
    they are a second hand broker for pro lights and sound gear, and second hand emulators get good prices through them if you ever need to sell them again ( the controllor could fetch a grand or so alone) They may also have lamps. Anyway, its always good to have a look over the gear they have availible.
  • silvasilva Registered User
    edited December 2006
    wicked thanx again 4 all ya help.Will try them all now
  • PuffyfishPuffyfish Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Ditto!
    Don at lightparts is THE man you need to know! Noone knows more about it. He is the Yoda Master of older HES fixtures.:notworthy: Never seen anyone better anywhere, and he has the parts you need.
    Best place for Emulator lamps is Lightparts.

    www.lightparts.com

    After all these years Emulator is still one of my favorite fixtures!:headbang:
  • monotonsystemmonotonsystem Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Hi there

    i am running 4 emulators in germany. i bought them used in a bad condition, but after some work and some deals from ebay, i got almost every part i needed to bring them back to life. However, the expensive Original lamp from Highend sells for about 350$ each. So i looked for an equivalent lamp from other manufacturers all over the internet. It took long time to find something useful, but here it is: I got them at Atlas Specialty Lighting, Hileah, Florida. The bulb is called XM150-13HS and sells for about 200$ . Nowadays, same bulb is selling at ebay for 193,00$. Some specs of the lamp can be found at the website from Atlas, provided in a pdf document: http://www.asltg2.com/ORC/page3xe.pdf
    When I ran the first 2 lamps, one shattered after running maybe 10 hours in the night club. After short communication with Atlas Lighting, I got an new one for free. Nevertheless, the exploding lamp killed its reflector and lens. It was luck to get some old spare party from an german Highend dealer. After running these 2 lamps for about 100 hours, another one shattered in the same way. So now i dont know why, but i suppose there must be something wrong with these lamps, though they fit the specs of the original one perfectly. Anyone an Idea? Suggestion and discusion will be welcome. Regards, Hans
  • RomanRoman Registered User
    edited July 2007
    I could be wrong but I think there was a 1000 W Xenon Lamp inside! not a 150Watt. Maybe that's the problem.

    Good luck Roman
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited July 2007
    I believe the 150 is the correct lamp, an emulator with a 1000watt lamp would be a monster!!

    As for the lamps exploding,
    I would look at the fans, making sure they are all running,
    Make sure the fixture is tapped for the correct voltage,
    I would verify your voltage to make sure you are not over feeding it,
    and I would make absolutely sure you are not leaving any skin oils on the lamp. (should be difficult to get oil on the lamp with all that leather protection gear on but you never know)
    Just make absolutely sure there the lamp is clean. It doesn't take much for xenon lamps to fail..
    Good Luck!
    Joshua Wood
  • RomanRoman Registered User
    edited July 2007
    OK,
    I have a emulamp in front of me and it tells me HLL1000.
    Original High End Lamp.
    Is the lamp seated perfectly? This can cause a xenon lamp to explode.

    Best Regards Roman
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited July 2007
    hey roman,
    not to be difficult, but the whole emulator only draws 6 amps at 120 volt. So, unless they run it doesn't seem like it could be a 1000 watt lamp.
    Joshua wood
  • RomanRoman Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Dear Joshua,

    here in Austria and in Germany we have 230 Volts. And there it takes 4 Amps. On 120 Volts it takes 8 Amps (Both High Mode). On normal Mode 1 Amp less. I took a look ;) in our manuals, but nothing about lamprating and wattage.:eek:

    So I don't know exactly:06:

    Any information from the HES Guys????

    Best regards Roman
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Ok roman,
    I did a bit of research, and I can't figure out what type of lamp you have,
    It doesn't sound like any Emulator lamp I have ever heard of, It sounds closer to a AF1000 lamp.
    What does the lamp look like??
    The Emulator Lamp is definitely a 150 watt lamp.
    Here is an emulator manual for your reference as well,
    http://www.highend.com/pdfs/products/emulator/emulator_led.pdf
    and according to the manual, at 230 volts, the emulator draws 3 amps, not 4...
    and a 1000 watt lamp, by itself, should draw around 4.3 amps at 230 volt...
    :poke:
    Joshua Wood
  • RomanRoman Registered User
    edited July 2007
    With 3 Amps at 230 Volts you are right, but there is a sort of high power mode where it takes 4 amps, as written in previus post.
    the lamp looks like an ordinary xenon lamp. the only differenc is that it is short arc style.
    Is there anybody from hes who can tell us the truth?????

    best regards Roman
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited August 2007
    Hi there

    i am running 4 emulators in germany. i bought them used in a bad condition, but after some work and some deals from ebay, i got almost every part i needed to bring them back to life. However, the expensive Original lamp from Highend sells for about 350$ each. So i looked for an equivalent lamp from other manufacturers all over the internet. It took long time to find something useful, but here it is: I got them at Atlas Specialty Lighting, Hileah, Florida. The bulb is called XM150-13HS and sells for about 200$ . Nowadays, same bulb is selling at ebay for 193,00$. Some specs of the lamp can be found at the website from Atlas, provided in a pdf document: http://www.asltg2.com/ORC/page3xe.pdf
    When I ran the first 2 lamps, one shattered after running maybe 10 hours in the night club. After short communication with Atlas Lighting, I got an new one for free. Nevertheless, the exploding lamp killed its reflector and lens. It was luck to get some old spare party from an german Highend dealer. After running these 2 lamps for about 100 hours, another one shattered in the same way. So now i dont know why, but i suppose there must be something wrong with these lamps, though they fit the specs of the original one perfectly. Anyone an Idea? Suggestion and discusion will be welcome. Regards, Hans

    Don't use these!! Not only will they explode, but they will cause your lamp capacitors to fail prematurely as well.

    Knock-offs are exactly that....no substitute for the real thing.
  • K9MikeK9Mike Registered User
    edited August 2007
    Don't use these!! Not only will they explode, but they will cause your lamp capacitors to fail prematurely as well.

    Knock-offs are exactly that....no substitute for the real thing.

    Great advice! I got a "history of Emulator lamps" from Don@lightparts, and the moral of the story is, use only the original HOL-1000 made by A.R.C. (available from Lightparts).

    There are cheaper substitutes, but Don said they are responsible for most of the reflectors they sell. Last time I had to replace a reflector, it was $75. Condensor lense (also a common lamp explosion victim) was over $100 (IIRC). Add that to the 'bargain' lamp price, and it's no longer a bargain (not to mention the time the instrument is out of service waiting for replacement parts.)
  • monotonsystemmonotonsystem Registered User
    edited October 2007
    A few days ago, I won an auction with 2 new orginal HOLL-1000 bulbs and a new motor board :) ... Does anyone have recommandations about lamp high mode? i never used it to protect my lamps.
    The lamp adjustment is described by using some kind of photometer, if i remember that correctly. Does it make sense ? I adjusted them by comparing my emulators so far...
    I still have an fifth emulator, which is working well, but fails to strike the lamp. I interchanged the cap, lamp, and board (brand new) with other emulators, and all parts are working in the other ones, including the lamp. the defective one tries several times to strike, and sometimes it works and then the emulator runs well. but mostly it fails.
    :confused: hans
  • PuffyfishPuffyfish Registered User
    edited October 2007
    NOTE;
    The emu has a special part the senses the hours on a lamp!. If the lamps is way too old or has too many hours it reads the voltage it's using to jump the arc on the electrodes. If you have a lamps, keep track of the hours. At a point it will become difficult to get them to arc. This is when you swap lamps. Keep dogging them and they may explode.scare2.gif This will not be pretty. Nasty stuff will be emitted into your shop and the hot glass will spew into your fixture and all over you.:nono: Severe burns are the norm.
    Your unit is now contaminated with vaporised Mercury. You have hot glass in your face and eyes and your day is really starting to suck.
    If the boss says keep using and striking the lamps he is an idiot.
    Thank goodness the circuit in control will finally get to a point that it just wont work.

    Optimizing is a tricky thing. It takes time to learn. you'll have x, y and z to deal with. Enjoy!winkglasses.gif
  • DJScottCDJScottC Registered User
    edited December 2007
    Here is a pretty good deal on the bulbs for the Emulators I found. Not sure if anyone posted this yet but I hope this helps

    Hope the link works below if not let me know and I will see what I can do.

    Scott

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330193255785&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=330193255768&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited December 2007
    You couldn't pay me enough to put a lamp off of Ebay into one of my fixtures, Much less an ebay Xenon, into an emulator...

    In looking at the other auctions, most of that vendors lamps tend to be GE, which tend to have "non-passive" failure at end of life..
    And I really hate replacing dichroics, just to save a buck on the lamp....

    Thanks, but NO thanks...

    Joshua Wood
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited December 2007
    DJScottC wrote:
    Here is a pretty good deal on the bulbs for the Emulators I found. Not sure if anyone posted this yet but I hope this helps

    Hope the link works below if not let me know and I will see what I can do.

    Scott

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330193255785&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=330193255768&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

    Yeah......I'd stay way far away from these things if I were you.:eek:

    Best thing to do is call LightParts!!:D
  • DJScottCDJScottC Registered User
    edited December 2007
    I was thinking about buying the Dataflash bulbs off of there> Is that not a good idea either???

    Scott
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited December 2007
    Probably not. I'd steer clear of any knid of expendable item in general.
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