slots skipping/fading

MarcoMarco Registered User
hi,

i´m working a lot of years on H3, but i´m not behind the trick how can i fade a color slot or a gobo slot. I can´t see when the fixture is in the slot skip mode or in the slot fade mode.
it´s maybe very simple, but .......:06:
can anyone get me a help?

marco

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  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited March 2009
    If the fixture is capable of "scrolling" its' color wheel (depending on the manufacturer's firmware), then you access it by touching the encoder display bar to change the encoder mode, much the same way you change a gobo wheel from "Index" to "Rotate".

    Hope this helps.:)
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    hi marty,

    I dont wont scoll the col wheel and I dont wont rotate a gobo.
    what I mean is for example on an old mac 500. I know there are dmx values for skipping a slot and values to turn the wheel "analog" to the next position with a fade time. now I can set a fade time to the colwheel, but if I run it, the wheel is not current turning, more like skipping. this is what I not find on the desk. you know what I mean?

    thank´s
    marco
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited March 2009
    Well if it doesn't require a mode other than "slots", you must set the start and end points of your "color fade" with the encoder. Setting the points with the slot bar will probably cause the fixture to "jump" to the next slot rather than fade throught the values as if you were spinning the encoder.

    Yes?:)
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    Yes, but this means I cant use a pallete for this. mhhhh.... and this means, I cant update a col or gobo for a complete show, I must turn the col for each cue with the encoder.

    marco
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited March 2009
    Or simply touch the slot you want, then bump the encoder a bit and store that as either an additional palette or instead of your existing palette.:cool:
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    I remember for the H2. there I have "col.." as fixed, "col..>" as faded and "col...>>" as scroll.
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    mhhh... ok... I would say, there is a missing function.
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited March 2009
    Marco wrote: »
    I remember for the H2. there I have "col.." as fixed, "col..>" as faded and "col...>>" as scroll.

    Sure only on H3 you don't necessarily need the "Col" fixed palettes (unless you plan on doing "Change Type" later), b/c you can just use the slots for this.
    Marco wrote: »
    mhhh... ok... I would say, there is a missing function.

    What function is that?
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    adding a option on the encoder! "slot, FADE and spin"

    maybe
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited March 2009
    Ahhh....but that's where the beauty lies.....by being in "slot" mode you can get to "fixed" colors very quickly by using the slot bar....or be in "fade/index" mode simply by turning the encoder....no need to change modes!

    Much more elegant this way:)
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    ok, but I´m not realy shure, is a palette what I record after turning the encoder to "red" not exactly the same like the autopalette "red"?
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    nice would be, if I choose a palette, maybe "red", then I´m in slotted mode, now I will that this col is in a fade mode and I change the option on the encoder to "fade". the desk change automaticly the dmx range for the fixture to the right values.
    that would be a cool deal.
    not?
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited March 2009
    Hmmm:33::33::33:

    I see your point. Sounds like we need a feature request to change how the values are displayed.

    Possibly "--red--" or "RED" if referencing a slot value, and use the current display syntax for when a wheel is in "index" mode.

    Do we have one like this already logged guys, or do we need a new enhancement?
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    I have try it again on my desk. There is no way to fade a col wheel or a gobo wheel.

    Marco
  • bradpepebradpepe Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited March 2009
    Marco,

    Please send me your show file via http://upload.highend.com so I can have a go with the exact fixtures you have setup...

    If you see the DMX values for the color or gobo wheel changing in the DMX output, then the problem is with your fixtures. Many fixtures do not allow crossfading of DMX channels for the color and gobo wheels as it tends to burn up gears. Depenending on the fixture, there may be other options using speed channels as described in this thread.

    thanks,
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    Hi Brad,
    I try it simply with a old Mac 500. They can normaly fade the wheels.
    I can set a fadetime to the wheels, but they are always skipping.

    Marco
  • bradpepebradpepe Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited March 2009
    Marco,

    What mode are you running your Mac500s in? What library are you using?

    I just simply selected a Mac 500 m4 Extended, built a cue to change the fixed color for wheel 1 to Yellow (DMX 80) and changed the color path to linear. I see the DMX value crossfade from zero to 80 in the DMX window when I play the cue. This indicates that if the light is capable of crossfading that the desk is sending the correct information. I do not have a Mac 500 here to test with, but this appears to be workign correct.

    Let me know exactly what mode you are using and how you are programming and I bet we can solve this.
  • srautanesrautane Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited March 2009
    Taken from Mac500 manual...

    Fixed ( st at ic) gobos
    There are 2 operating modes available for the fixed-gobo wheel, which has 9 positions for metal gobos plus an open
    position. In “fixed” mode (SPEC/gMOd/FIX), the wheel steps between fixed positions and shakes at variable
    speeds. In “scroll” mode (SPEC/gMOd/SCRL), the wheel scrolls continuously, shakes at 1 speed, and rotates in
    2 directions at variable speed.
    Setting the fixed-gobo speed to “blackout” in vector mode causes the shutter to black out the light while the wheel
    turns from one position to another.
    Operation 11
    The Shortcuts (SPEC/SCUT) setting determines whether the gobo wheel takes the shortest path to the next position
    or turns in one direction only. The setting may be overridden on the speed channel in vector mode.
  • MarcoMarco Registered User
    edited March 2009
    hi Brad,

    Thats the trick I need to know.
    PATH!
    Everything fine. Forget all in this thread.
    Than'ks a lot.

    Marco
  • bradpepebradpepe Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited March 2009
    Marco,

    I am glad to hear you have it working. Have a great show!
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