Phillips MSD 250/2 Alternatives?

joeshepardjoeshepard Registered User
edited September 2009 in HES Automated Lighting
Has anyone tried any of the alternatives to the Phillips MSD 250/2 bulbs ie the bulbs from Divinelighting?

http://www.divinelighting.com/msd-2502-lamp-replacement-aka-msd2502-277210-199850-p-24.html?gclid=CIWrlLGaypQCFRpknAod_gsrrw

I'm getting ready to replace the bulbs in 16 Colorpros so now seemed like the right time to ask. My guess is that it's not worth the risk but maybe somebody out there has another perspective.

Thanks,

Joe

Comments

  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited July 2008
    Doesn't pass the "smell test" in my book.....very very fishy!

    Stick with the Philips lamps.....you get what you pay for....every time.
  • PuffyfishPuffyfish Registered User
    edited July 2008
    Doesn't pass the "smell test" in my book.....very very fishy!

    Stick with the Philips lamps.....you get what you pay for....every time.

    +1! All HES units are built around Phillips lamps. I've seen others detonate for no reason causing pricey repairs.:poke:

    Like Marty said "you get what you pay for" and you do! Anything other than Phillips are Verboden in my shop. No exceptions allowed.
  • joeshepardjoeshepard Registered User
    edited July 2008
    I had the same feeling but just thought I'd check with everyone to make sure it was so.

    Thanks!

    Joe
  • muvmentmuvment Registered User
    edited July 2008
    I highly recommend using these lamps in American DJ products. Those things deserve to explode.
  • lightbrightlightbright Registered User
    edited July 2008
    I've used these KSD 250 lamps from Divine lighting, in both Martin and HES fixtures, I've never had a problem. They've been in the Technobeams for almost a year.
  • moes015moes015 Registered User
    edited July 2008
    Ive used the ones from Divine Lighting for the past 3 years and have had no malfunctions at all.
    They are used in:
    4 Studio Spot 250
    4 Technobeams
    12 Color Pro HX
  • joeshepardjoeshepard Registered User
    edited July 2008
    I've gone ahead and ordered the Phillips bulbs but I'd still be an interested in hearing from the adventurous out there.

    Joe
  • Divine LightingDivine Lighting Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Hello,
    This is Dustin, the owner of Divine Lighting. I'm glad to be a new member of your forum. Your distrust of off-brand lamps is well-founded. I'm sure that many of you have had bad experiences in the past with such products, as have I.
    That being said, we have gone to great lengths to ensure quality and consistency in our products. Specifically, our KSD 250/2 has a spectacular track record. To be clear, there are a couple of differences. The temp is 8000k and the life is 2000 hrs. Of the thousand's that we've sold, there have only been a couple of returns, and that was for the color. As long as you relamp all of your fixtures at once, then that shouldn't be a problem.

    KSD 250/2 http://www.divinelighting.com/ksd-2502-divine-lighting-ksd2502-p-206.html

    Here is a list of all known problems with our lamps:
    KSD 575/2: there have been some issues with convection-cooled fixtures, but none at all when the cooling is forced.
    KSD 700sa: There haven't been reported problems with the xSpot, but it does have issues with VariLite. We're going to pull it until we get it fixed.
    KSD 150: Older Martin 812's sometimes have problems striking the 150's.

    I welcome posts from any of you who have used our products, with good or bad results.

    Best regards,
    Dustin Johnson

    What customers say they like about us:
    1. Friendly customer service.
    2. We usually ship same day from Atlanta.
    3. Shipping is free. (over $50)
    4. Prices
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited August 2008
    On a side note,
    I am sure someone from high end will chime in here,
    but I am 99% sure using non-phillips lamps voids any warranty your fixture has.
    Joshua Wood
  • Divine LightingDivine Lighting Registered User
    edited August 2008
    That's not a side note at all. After some investigation, I've found that using other brands of lamps "may void the warranty."

    Yes, maybe we could get some clarification on what this means. It would be a shame if that were the case, since there are so many quality lamp makers out there, like GE, Osram, Ushio, and, in my opinion, Divine Lighting.

    To the best of my knowledge, designing a fixture around a lamp would primarily concern the following: ignition voltage, operating voltage, current draw, physical dimensions, base type, thermal management, color rendering.

    Personally, I don't think the particular brand of lamp makes that much difference, as long as it is manufactured with high quality and consistency, and meets specifications. Of the thousands of 575's and 250's we've sold, there has never been a report of one of our lamps damaging a fixture. And customers tend to be very vocal about that sort of thing.

    Dustin Johnson
    www.divinelighting.com
  • SBlairSBlair Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited August 2008
    Dustin,

    All our fixtures are developed and tested around the Philips lamps. In fact, we frequently do joint development of new lamps with them.

    Using any other lamp than what we specify with the fixture may void the warranty. Lamp failures can cause a significant amount of damage to the fixtures. Even lamps that don't physically fail can cause significant damage if they have the wrong thermal characteristics.
  • Divine LightingDivine Lighting Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Scott,
    Thanks for the information. It is very understandable that you want your products to look and perform their best. HES has been my favorite manufacturer since my first encounter with Trackspots, and I greatly respect the work you guys do. You are a great asset to the industry.

    Regards,
    Dustin
  • jeeperjeeper Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Dustin can tell me what problems convection-cooled fixtures like 575s did you have? I ordered some of your 250/2's and so far they seem ok after a few months in a club. but I got a msr 575 and it lasted a week and the light will not light up? I looked the fixture over and can't find anything, the bulb looks ok, just dead?
  • Divine LightingDivine Lighting Registered User
    edited September 2008
    Jeeper,
    Are you referring to a Philips MSR 575, or a Divine Lighting KSD 575? The KSD 575 is not recommend for StudioSpot 575 because they stop striking early in the life span. If you have purchased the KSD 575, please call us to work out an exchange or refund.

    Regards,
    Dustin
  • Joe BleasdaleJoe Bleasdale Registered User
    edited January 2009
    SBlair wrote:
    All our fixtures are developed and tested around the Philips lamps. In fact, we frequently do joint development of new lamps with them.

    The word SHOWGUN spings to mind...
  • jeeperjeeper Registered User
    edited May 2009
    not to rehash this thread but look at this. A bulb thats smaller and more efficient than discharge bulbs and last 30,000 hrs!!!!!!!!

    http://www.lifi.com/dynamic/display.php/48
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited July 2009
    Austin99227733,
    Nice of you to join this board just to suggest a place to buy lamps.
    But it seems awfully convenient that your first post is a response to a several month old thread.
    I have a hard time believing that you don't work for that site.
    Seems to me that you are probably just a spammer in disguise.
    My apologies if I am off the mark,
    but if it smells like a spammer........
    Joshua Wood

    Edit,
    NM, Seems to have deleted his post.
  • edited July 2009
    Thanks for the note Josh. When you see spam, you can hit the "Report Bad Post" in the lower left corner of each post. Ever since the forum software upgrade, we have a one-click "remove a spammer" option. Just tell us it's there and we'll make it go away. We usually catch spam within a few hours, but we have to sleep sometimes...
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited July 2009
    usually I do just that,
    but the original post was somewhat borderline,
    So I thought I would give the poster a chance to rebut my accusation.
    I guess they thought I was correct, or that it was just easier to remove their post.
    No worries.
    Josh
  • jeeperjeeper Registered User
    edited July 2009
    :dunno: Did I say something wrong?
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited July 2009
    Nope,
    Not you, there was a post that was deleted in between yours and mine.
    No worries.
    Josh.
  • AAAlampyAAAlampy Registered User
    edited September 2009
    I was wondering if anyone has had any experience of Jenbo NSK575/2, The site claims they are a direct replacement for the MSR575/2 and at half the price of the phillips its tempting as all of my 575's need rebulbing. Any thoughts/first hand knowledge?
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User
    edited September 2009
    See my earlier post (#2) in this thread....same thing
  • jeeperjeeper Registered User
    edited September 2009
    I used a no-name 575 in a studio color and it didn't last a week. I've been told that no-names are not good for convection-cooled fixtures like 575s. I have use some that i got from lightboker.com in studio spot 250's and have been happy with them.
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