Timecode & SMTP questions

Timecode & SMTP questions

I am working on a show wich has some complex issues and programming so I need to work with timecode. Normally I use the midi-input on the Hog3, but for this show the midi-source is too far away from the FOH so I have to go with SMPT.
I was looking for the MIDI/Timecode Processor on the High-End site and noticed it's not there anymore. Is this product discontinued? I was looking for the specs to see what is better for me to use: The MTC-Processor or the USB LTC widget? Is there someone who has the specs for me?

If you have used one or both of these, what are the pro's and con's of them?

So, I get SMTP in the desk from one of the two devices, set the port to LTC and my show will start running. Now can I output this timecode over the MIDI-Output of the desk? I will be running a Hippotizer HD on timecode as well, and when I go through the desk, I'm sure the hippotizer always has the same timecode as my desk.

There will be 2 Hog3's in a network, does the secondary desk automatically have timecode as well or does it need a separate input?

Just one more question: When I simulate Timecode without any input from MIDI or SMTP can it output timecode via the MIDI-output? So basicly the Hog is a timecode-generator.

Gr.
Pim

0 nibor over 16 years ago

I use the time code widget all the time and have never had any problems and it also works with my lap top in Hog3 pc a grate little deal.
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0 pimmerpack - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

That's good to hear. It does look like the most simple solution.
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0 nibor over 16 years ago

Today is a Holiday in the States but I am sure somone from Highend will answer the tech questions ASAP
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0 bradpepe - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Pim,

The USB SMPTE widget is the best choice for SMPTE. The Ethernet MIDI Timecode Processor is no longer for sale. There is no need for most customers to use an Ethernet device for SMPTE input to the console.

When you are working with multiple consoles, you can choose the timecode source in the cuelist window. So for example you can select the input from the server desk when you are working on the client desk.

As for timecode output, NO you can not output timecode from the console or widget.

We have many productions currently running via SMPTE or MIDI timecode around the world and I think you will find it no problem. Again the best choice is to use the USB Timecode widget.
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0 pimmerpack - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Hello Brad,

Thanks for the answer. The USB Widget will be the first choice then. I'm sure it will work as good as a direct midi-input.

And for the the timecode output, does it not output timecode when just simulating output, or also whit the SMTP input? As I then need to split the SMPT-signal. One for the Hog, and one for the Hippotizer.
No problem with splitting the signal, just to be sure and don't have any suprises.

Gr.
Pim
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0 bradpepe - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Pim,

The Wholehog software does NOT output timecode under any condition. The timecode circuit is a one-way input only device. You should be fine splitting the timecode...
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0 pimmerpack - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Ok, thanks! Makes sense, and now I'm sure.
I'll get the supplier to bring an LTC-Widget, SMPT-splitters and a converter and I'll be fine.

Gr.
Pim
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0 frankv1234 - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Hi pim,

I use the timecode widget a lot for show and also need to split it often. Last time i had some problems because of extreme long cable runs. I just used a very simple audio mixing desk to boost up the level before splitting. If you have any questions or want to build a test setup with a ltc widget don't hesitate to contact me. (06-53904441)

Greetings

Frank Verbeek
Production Partners
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0 jabadger - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

If you're splitting or need to amplify your SMPTE run, and you have an okay budget. Don't mess around, with juryrigged y's and amplifing through mixers and such. This fixes (almost) all, don't leave home without it...

www.brainstormtime.com/sr26.php
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0 frankv1234 - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Hi Jason,

Thanks for your reply. I never heard of this device. The solution i used was suggested by a well known video company in the netherlands. It worked for me fine in the past but will sure request a quotation for this device to add to my set.

Greetings

Frank Verbeek
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0 andris - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

I second the Brainstorm. It let me run LTC 150' to a timecode widget and was rock solid.
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0 pimmerpack - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Hello Frank,

I've stored your number, can always be usefull! What do you use now for to split the SMPTE-signal? As far as I know the audio-company (Ampco) will take care of the SMPTE-runs, so I'll contact them to see what they use.

Thanks Jason for the device you've mentioned. It does look like a great piece of equipment. I'm definitely gonna have a look for that.

@ Frank: There is a Belgium dealer: www.beedistribution.com The price is E 479,-. It's quite a bit of money, but when working with timecode a lot, it will be worth it I guess.

Well, I'll start programming on Tuesday the 28th of this month, and the show is on the 7th of the next, so there is time for trial and error!

Gr.
Pim
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0 z6p6tist6 - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

For what it's worth, I've also had success with this product:

www.midi-classics.com/h/h25351.htm

Looks like it costs more than the previously mentioned item and I'm not recommending one over the other.

Have a great show!

Phil
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0 jabadger - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

Yeah the SR15+ does the same thing but a whole lot more than the sr26. The sr15 more than any of us really need but it is useful to have the built in tc readout
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0 frankv1234 - Former HES Forum Member over 16 years ago

gone do this message in dutch to pim. so sorry for those who are not of the netherlands but im just lazy.....:D

Pim,

Als het enigzins kan dan zorg ik ervoor dat mijn ltc widget aan het eind van de tijdcode lijn zit. Als dit door omstandigheden niet kan dan split ik ook nog wel eens het tijdcode singaal gewoon met een 1 op 1 xlr splitje. Werkt meestal probleemloos.

Laatst had ik een hele mooie tijdcode reader vanuit de reportagewagen gekregen 16 digits met blauwe leds (zo mooi bij je tafel :D ) en gelijk ook een actieve tijdcode splitter. Ik zal volgende keer eens even kijken welk merk dit was.

groetjes

frank
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