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  • tbslytertbslyter Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited April 2007
    It is not my desire to start a debate, and I DO feel MIDI TC would be a useful feature of this console. It would open it up to more users. BUT I feel some incorrect assumptions are being made.

    1. The only use for LTC SMPTE is for syncing to an audio track. In fact more video, graphics and automation systems use SMPTE than audio devices. Remember what SMPTE stands for: Society of Motion, Picture & Television Engineers. Many automation systems installed in a variety of applications use SMTPE to generate daylight-clock time to control everything from houselights to projection screens, HVAC systems, window blinds, fountains etc. with NO AUDIO TRACK whatsoever. How many of these systems have MIDI interfaces? Very few if any. Try to find a MIDI port on a professional TV camera, VTR, CG, video switcher, Leightronix event manager, Crestron/AMX system, etc.

    Remember what MIDI stands for: Music Instrument Digital Interface. This is was originally developed for electronic instruments like sythesizers and drum machines to talk together and stay in sync via MIDI clock time. (MC) MIDI Timecode (MTC) was adopted later to assist with recording devices and other things to stay in sync, but was still driven primarily by the music, recording and theater industries. Since the lighting, scenery and motion control industries work closely with those hardware producers, it was easy to adopt this as interconnection standard particularly considering the size of the connectors on smaller components and infancy of LTC SMPTE timecode.

    2. While it is digital, MIDI timecode is not as accurate and can not keep up with information streams as well as SMPTE. MIDI TC can suffer from what is known as jitter or lag where the info can be jostled about in a sense. This is well documented problem and in many applications doesn't prove to be a problem. (I know there are plenty of people who have used it and NEVER had a problem.) However in the video world and other markets where absolute frame accuracy is needed, SMPTE has been increasingly adopted as the primary way to tie devices together. As for converting SMPTE to MIDI, well again every conversion creates lag and I have seen plenty of people frustrated with the Hog II systems lagging behind during complicated sequences. So yes there are cheap no-brainer conversion, but they don't always solve the problem.

    3. As with S-Video, the consumer grade DIN cables for MIDI do not offer locking connections. Again this is not as important to some markets as others, but it huge in other applications such as the touring and rental markets.

    4. Yes there are some advantages to MIDI when splitting and looping through (SMPTE via BNC offers loop throughs and is the standard in the video world.) it is easier and in many cases more reliable to run SMPTE long distances via XLR or better yet BNC Coax than stringing a MIDI cable even with the signal loss and crosstalk that might be present in certain SMTPE systems.

    The lighting industry is considerable smaller than the film, TV, recording and presentation industries and sometimes what we perceive as a standard way of doing things may not be the primary protocol of a larger community. HES is learning this with some of their digital lighting products. It's part of the growing pains of increasing integration and convergence between industries.
  • kphogankphogan Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Just out of curiosity-
    The pictures and video of the Roadhog show a red LED button on the top of the console between the two screens. I don't see it listed anywhere in the documentation. Does anybody know what this does yet?
    Thanks,
    Kevin
  • jxgriffijxgriffi Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited April 2007
    kphogan wrote:
    Just out of curiosity-
    The pictures and video of the Roadhog show a red LED button on the top of the console between the two screens. I don't see it listed anywhere in the documentation. Does anybody know what this does yet?
    Thanks,
    Kevin

    I believe if you look closely at some of the closeups, it looks like it's the LED from the USB Stick.
  • VeldaVelda Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Hiya gang. Im glad to see this console out and can immediately think of quite a few projects that could really use one. I do not completely understand why it is incapable of running hog2 pc, but im sure there is a good reason.

    Just to add my $0.02 to the MIDI vs SMPTE question: I use and see SMPTE way more than MIDI for any sort of show control. However, considering the price range and market of this console it would seem that this above any other console HES is offering (spare the Hog3PC) would be be prone to being involved in low cost MIDI systems. Almost all of the MIDI systems i find in use with a lighting console are simply because they cant afford or are are not experienced enough to use SMPTE. I too see little reason a USB MIDI setup could not be worked out some how.

    As for USB devices as a backup medium, I am strongly in favor of the option. I have been using usb flash drives for so long I still have a 128mb that I remember paying $90 for. I use flash drives very often and in my experience as long as you do not go shopping for them in the bargain bin at frys electronics or choose those colorful three packs for a low low price they stand up pretty well. Aside from the problems people have with the cheapies almost all of the problems I my self and other people I have seen having are caused by improper mounting and unmounting.

    A neat little trick I suggest once you guys finally move past the 2.4.19 kernel is to play a scripting trick with mounting backup volumes. I have a thumb drive used for small backups that is subject to a script keeping it unmounted unless i attempt to read or write anything to it. Ten seconds after any reading or writing stops it automatically un-mounts the drive keeping it safe from crashes or being unplugged.

    Of course all of this would be unnecessary if only you used a journaling file system with the flash drive. Unfortunately then it would become incompatible with windows, which im sure is a major reason most people want flash drives on the HogIII in the first place.
  • teericksonteerickson Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    Kevin,

    Jon is correct. The red LED that you see at the top of the console is the indicator on the 1GB USB memory stick that is included with the console.
  • teericksonteerickson Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    Adam,

    The reason that the Road Hog does not run Hog 2PC is because Hog 2PC has been discontinued and not in active development for quite some time now. We have been making library changes occasionally, but we don't have any developers working on Hog 2. The Wholehog 3 control software has replaced Hog 2 and will be the platform that we use on products as we move forward.

    If you are currently working in an environment that uses Wholehog 2 shows, you have a few options. First, you could use a Hog iPC that will natively run the Wholehog 2 control software. Second, you could send your Wholehog 2 show files to support@flyingpig.com and have them converted to Wholehog 3 show files.

    I hope this helps.
  • teericksonteerickson Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    I'm a programmer and a Wholehog 3 owner. I agree with all of you that MIDI (particularly MSC) is an important feature.

    Before this turns into a war, I'd like to put a few things in perspective.

    This is the first Wholehog product that we've released without MIDI connections. If you need a solution with MIDI, you can use either the Hog iPC or the Wholehog 3 console. We aren't giving up on MIDI or phasing it out of our products. The Road Hog price is approximately half that of a Hog iPC and the Hog iPC is obviously priced less than the Wholehog 3 console. This is our least expensive console and one of the things that differentiates it from the rest of our product line. Without a clearly differentiated set of features at each price point, our less expensive consoles would have a negative impact on the sales of the consoles above them in the product line.

    The Road Hog is targeted at small shows and small installations. When I think about the churches and TV studios and dance recitals and hotel ballroom corporate events that I used to work on, there were many shows where I didn't need any show control or timecode. Those are the shows that we are hoping to see the Road Hog on.

    It sounds like some of you feel that you would have a use for the Road Hog *if* it had MIDI. I can certainly understand this as well. Some of you may know Josh Wood. He's a regular poster in these forums. I used to program touring kid's shows with Josh and we would often have a 75 minute show with 1500+ cues all running off of MTC / MSC with only a few universes of DMX. The Road Hog would have been a great solution, if it had MIDI.

    The fact of the matter, though, is that the Road Hog *is* a great solution for many people and many shows, and as I mentioned above, we certainly have other solutions for the shows that require more automation.

    One last point to think about, is that MIDI ports are something that we could choose to provide as an expansion. There are a few ways this could be possible. I'm not saying that this is being worked on or going to happen, but I also wouldn't commit myself to saying that the Road Hog will never be able to send or receive MIDI.

    I hope this clears things up a bit. Thanks for all of the good comments and discussion. Please continue to comment and ask questions.

    Thanks.
  • SourceChildSourceChild Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Just some common sense on this thread that is now 60 posts long...
    God! Please Get over the MIDI. Buy a freaking Midi Widget. Their only $1,000

    Look at the Aprx MSRP numbers and consider
    $4,000 Programming Wing
    $3,600 Playback Wing
    $3,000 Super Widget
    $1,000 Reliable Computer
    $ 700 15" Touch Screen
    $ 700 15" Touch Screen
    $13,000
    or
    Roadhog $12,500 to $13,000

    DUH

    I'll spend the same if I build a hog PC as I would on a road hog but the road hog is self contained. Personally I want a self contained trouble free console.

    Anyway, the Midi Widget is the same extra expense either way.


    I'm sorry but I think of this realistically.
    I hate Hog 2. :aargh4:

    but

    When I spend 5k on a small quick rig rental, I have $300 to spend on a Hog 2 and not $1,000 to spend on a Hog 3.

    Rental companies know this. They say "hell, I'd rather have a console my clients can actually afford to rent so that I have it rented every week."
    Roadhog just became my salvation.

    When I call a rental house with $300, I want the console I choose, not the old piece of crap they had from 10 years ago w sticky wheels and dirty faders. I also like touch screens I can read with windows actually wide enough to add the number of palettes I use.

    I have mastered everything.

    Hog 3
    Maxxyz
    GrandMA
    Vista T4
    Vector Red
    Diamond

    and all the juniors

    Hog PC
    Hog iPC
    Maxxyz PC
    GrandMA Light
    GrandMA Ultra-Light
    GRandMA Micro
    Vista T2
    Vista App
    Vector Blue
    Vector Orange
    Vector Green
    Saphire
    Pearl
    Asure

    When I spend $1,000 to $1,200 a week, I get a large console. When I spend $300 to $500 a week, I get one of the three choices from 90% of the rental houses.
    Hog 2, GrandMA Ultra-Light, or Pearl
    I don't want a Pearl.
    I don't want a Hog 2.
    I can tolerate a GrandMA Ultra-Light.
    If however, I can get a new Roadhog, then I will choose that.

    I really don't care who buys a Roadhog as long as you're one of the 100 or so rental houses I prefer to use. Get over the Midi, get over the extra touch screens. It's better than a Hog 2 and my first choice on a 120k w 20 movers and a media server.
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Listen Todd,
    There is no reason to be abusive,
    Just because YOU don't see a need for midi in the roadhog, that doesn't mean that other people don't.

    Since it seems you have never needed midi in a desk, that is just fine for you, Many of us use midi on much if not all of our shows.

    As for buying a PC system vs. a roadhog,
    If you want to be on a tour and spend a half an hour plugging in 7 pieces of equipment vs just plugging in a desk you can go ahead and do that.
    I would much prefer having my desk be self contained vs 2 wings, 2 touchscreens plus all the associated gak.

    Of course, that is just my opinion, others may vary
    Joshua Wood
  • leebotleebot Registered User
    edited April 2007
    I think they are about to hit the ball out of the park with the Road Hog.:headbang: Look at the competition. You can get a grand ma micro for $16000. Three grand more than the price I hear being kicked around for the Road Hog and although you get midi, you DON'T get 2 decent size touchscreens a 10 key keypad or a built in trackball. Plus you are limited to 1024 channels. Then you have the Avolites Pearl that doesn't even have a touchscreen a fixture library that you need a manual to translate and only 2 encoder wheels:angryfire: ( WHY AVOLITES WHY CANT YOU AND AT LEAST 1 MORE ENCODER!!!) :06: Oh and by the way both of the above mention products still require a floppy disk to transfer the show to another console or PC. At least Avo is upgrading to USB sticks on the Pearl 2008 and Expert. The point is that I think the Austin Guys have come out with a good VALUE. A product that will definatly fill a need in the smaller console market that previously was filled by other Flying Pig products. I can only hope that the Road Hog will force prodution companies to finnaly part with their aging Hog 2's. :poke: The one thing that I am really waiting on is the pixelmapping funtion for the Hog 3. :poke: Oh by the way it is standard on the Grand Ma Micro.
  • SourceChildSourceChild Registered User
    edited April 2007
    :poke: OUCH Joshua! Now my feelings ar hurt.
    Woodj32177 wrote:
    ...There is no reason to be abusive...

    Joshua, I will happily apologize to you if you took offense. :sad:

    Perhaps you are not aware that I am simply showing my anger at the fact that a forum full of product users and complaining about a product that is wonderfully priced with reasonably proportionate features. :headbang:
    Woodj32177 wrote:
    Just because YOU don't see a need for midi in the roadhog...

    I see the need for a console that brand new, has unlimited cue potential, thousands of palettes, and is UNDER $15,000.

    I also see a need for a Midi Widget in the event I decide to use LTC, VTC, or MSC which I do use quite frequently.
    Woodj32177 wrote:
    Since it seems you have never needed midi in a desk...

    How in the world would you conceive this from my statements? I never said I didn't need midi. I was tying to make a statement that if the market is flooded with cost effective Hog 3 solutions then Hog 3 will become the standard that Hog 2 was.

    Between a Maxxyz, Vector, Vista, and GrandMA, I would pick an MA almost every single time. Between an MA and a Hog 3, I would pick a Hog 3 99.9% of the time. You see, my point is that I would use an MA if I couldn't get a Hog 3 which is good considering that in the industry, MA is considered by many to be the "New Standard" that Hog 2 was.

    My whole point is this... The touring market determines what new products saturate the market. 90% of all tours with designed lighting packages (rented locally, or taken on the tour), are at the most 2 universes and never have more than about 15 to 20 movers and maybe a media server and some LEDs. This means a show that is literally 1 or 2 universes where timecode will never be an issue.

    I Design tours like this, I program tours like this. It's a great way to make some extra cash on the side from time to time. I however, do not go out with tours. I do have to consider the board opp that does and the lighting company providing gear. Since I hate hog 2, I am stuck with GrandMAs most of the time. The MA is just too big for small shows like this but if it's all the operators know or if it's all the vendors have, I'm stuck.

    I can make the tour managers happy by renting a pearl or hog 2 cheap or I can make the opps happy by renting a larger format console like the vista, vector, maxxyz, ma, or Hog 3 but if the market only gives me once choice, then I say, "let's change the market." We HES just did that with the Roadhog and it has nothing to do with Midi.
    Woodj32177 wrote:
    As for buying a PC system vs. a roadhog,
    If you want to be on a tour and spend a half an hour plugging in 7 pieces of equipment vs just plugging in a desk you can go ahead and do that.

    HUH???
    I'm confused? Wasn't it clear that I was pointing out how nice it is to have everything built into one desk? Didn't my explanation show everyone that for the same price as all the gak, someone can have a self-contained desk with less points of failure?


    Oh and here is a thought... I program shows. I especially program BIG shows, with Big rigs (8 to 10 universes). Granted I may only design a program 10 to 12 big shows a year, but it's a great deal of work and many of these shows (especially corporate shows) are loaded with timecode and midi events. For these, I use the $5,000 Midi/Timecode Processor and not the $1,000 Timcode Widget. So believe me, I do know a little something about timecode.


    Oh and a good example of timecode in a small environment. I also program theme shows at amusement parks. This usually means I show up for a week and program and then the show runs for 2 months every night.
    When I program, I sit on the $30,000 Hog 3 with 2 19" touchscreens and an expansion (or extra playback) wing(s).

    When I fly home, the light tech uses a programming wing, mouse, keyboard, PC, Widget (or Super Widget), and a timecode widget because it's the "cheap" and effective way to run 2 months worth of shows.

    Now I would have a new solution where I could have a Roadhog and timecode widget for a slight higher cost and my clients (and the poor busy light tech/opp) are happy with me because it's self contained.

    Granted, like Hillary said above, recieving midi commands is a big deal. Of course it doesn't break the deal for me, but LDI is 6 months away and that gives Flying Pig plenty of windows to come up with a Midi Widget for the Roadhog.
  • jxgriffijxgriffi Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited April 2007
    Of course it doesn't break the deal for me, but LDI is 6 months away and that gives Flying Pig plenty of windows to come up with a Midi Widget for the Roadhog.

    But they aren't doing Orlando according to LN.....so you actually have 18 months before you can see it at an LDI. :poke: :poke: :poke:

    Sorry...had to lighten this up a little bit.

    My take on this entire MIDI thing......

    Should MIDI be "included" - for my money and the price of the console, NO.
    Should MIDI be an "option" - absolute YES.....as an external widget of some type.

    I can count on one hand how many times I've needed some type of MIDI on a console. I can't count how many times I have need SMPTE. Does this mean there shouldn't be MIDI, absolutely not...

    I understand that people still use MIDI (for MSC or MTC....doesn't matter) but this has gotten really steamy over something that is just crazy...especially since the desk isn't even shipping yet. I can understand asking for it, but this has really gotten crazy.

    All I can say is that my PO just went in for a Road Hog for an install. It was the PERFECT solution for this location. They wanted Hog 3 software (insisted on it to be honest). It's a smaller room with movers, LEDs and conventionals and was originally spec'd as an iPC because they couldn't afford the III. When the Road Hog was released, I sent it to them and they jumped at it. Now, it freed up some money for more movers.

    But your mileage may vary....
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Todd,
    Perhaps my frustration lies in the fact that the roadhog is a great desk, and in my opinion, the ONLY thing lacking in it is midi,
    I also believe that the added cost of a midi/smpte widget is somewhat unacceptable, I can't think of a single desk from flying pig that wouldn't take timecode out of the box. (perhaps Hog 1??)
    If a timecode widget costed around 100$ instead of $1000 I think some people would not have a problem with the fact that it doesn't have any sort of timecode built in.

    "Perhaps you are not aware that I am simply showing my anger at the fact that a forum full of product users and complaining about a product that is wonderfully priced with reasonably proportionate features"

    I agree that it has reasonable features, with the only exception being the fact that it doesn't take midi out of the box, and Last I checked that was the purpose of these forums, is to express our likes and dislikes so that High End can help to fill the needs of a greater number of its customers.

    OR if as we all have talked about a few times if it took a <$50 midisport. That would also be acceptable to me.
    The price of the SMPTE widget doesn't seem too bad when compared with the cost of a Hog 3 or with an IOP, but when you take into account the low cost of the desk, adding around $$800-$1000 for timecode input seems a bit extreme, Especially since it has been an included feature of the rest of Flying Pig/Highend desks for a very long time.

    In any case, no hard feelings, I call it like I see it.
    Josh

    (In any case, I will stop kicking the dead horse)
  • bradpepebradpepe Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    All,

    I regret that I have been away for this forum while at Frankfurt, but now that I am back I am pleased to read all the comments on the Road Hog.

    Regarding the debate on the MIDI, please remember that the specs you see posted are for the initial release. We did not build the console with no plans for future expansion. We DID build the console with a specific timeline and target price.

    The ability to add MIDI has always been on our list for a future release, but it is not listed on the current specs as it is not currently available. Remember the Hog iPC with only 2 monitors upon its initial release... then a few months later it was updated to function with 3 monitors.

    Road Hog will have MIDI capabilities in the future, just not with the initial release.

    I think that you will all find this console is a wonderful addition to the Wholehog product line and at a very reasonable price.

    The development team at HES/FPS has done a fantastic job getting this console built and ready for release in a short time and we have more surprises for later in the year too.
  • ahelgorahelgor Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Yes, all i can say is GREAT WORK, guys..

    This is probably the best "featured, and priced" console in the h3 line, when you take into consideration the request and the marked segment it is directed towards..not only compared to other pigs, but also the competition.. This baby is gonna sell in BIG numbers!!

    -I would guess many venues/rentalhouses etc, that have had problem to justify buying a H3, or an Ipc becouse of price/demand, now will have a problem to justify NOT buying a roadhog ;)

    too bad you wont sell many H500/1000 anymore;) hehe
  • SourceChildSourceChild Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Hey Jon, for you I :footinmouth: about LDI

    Hey Josh, for you I :dunno: about the Midi.

    Hey Brad, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: oh sorry, couldn't think of anything.
  • jxgriffijxgriffi Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited April 2007
    Sorry Todd...just couldn't resist that one... :147:
  • nunnynunny Registered User
    edited April 2007
    could anybody tell me the main differences there is between the hog5/1k and the road hog.

    I use both the 500 and 1 k most weekends usually having a hand ful of movers, 30 dim channels and some other intelligent led stuff.

    Were desperately after getting something that handles the led stuff a little better.

    Have been offered a good price on both the 500 and the road hog and wondered how difficult the transition will be for some of the "less able" members of staff that have to go out and use it.

    thanks in advance
  • bradpepebradpepe Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    Mike,

    There are very large hardware differences between the older Hog 500/100 and the new Road Hog. First of course are the color touch screens on the Road Hog. The four universes of output of the Road Hog is also double that of the Hog 500/1000.

    In terms of software the differences are huge. You can read about the differences here:
    http://www.highend.com/pdfs/products/wholehog3pc/Hog3better.pdf

    Also keep in mind that the software development on the Hog500/1000 stopped over 5 years ago, while the software for the Road Hog is continuing to evolve.

    The transition over to the Road Hog is very simple for most and we have several publications that could be of use:
    Wholehog User Manual, Wholehog 2 to 3 Thesaurus, and more at: http://www.flyingpig.com/support/hog3/manuals/
  • nunnynunny Registered User
    edited April 2007
    How does the hog 3 software manage with led fixtures,

    Is there any reported roblems of strange problems occuring on the old hog 5/1k range?

    Thanks
  • Woodj32177Woodj32177 Registered User
    edited April 2007
    The biggest problem with the 500/1000 range is that I believe there are no RGB effects in the effects engine, and since you can't create your own effects on that desk, you have to build them in PC and merge them in.
    Vs. the Roadhog that deals very well with RGB fixtures, and gives you access to the complete effects engine..


    Joshua Wood
  • jxgriffijxgriffi Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited April 2007
    nunny wrote:
    How does the hog 3 software manage with led fixtures,

    Is there any reported roblems of strange problems occuring on the old hog 5/1k range?

    Thanks

    After using a 3 for almost 4 years, I had the recent joy (:friday: ) of returning to a Hog1K and having about 20 LED fixtures...

    It became apparent rather quickly why I like the 3 so much. You can do so much more so much easier with the LED's on the 3 that I didn't even think about it. HSI, CMYI, Individual RBG Intensity and almost any combination thereof. While, the 1K is just Individual RBG Intensity, you will have to do all of your own color mixing conversions, build all of your RGB effects in HogPC and import them into the 1K....things like this just make the speed of LED's on the 3 so much more intuitive.

    Hope it helps...
  • DrEadDrEad Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Hi All...
    The console specs look great :) and I can do without midi for now...!!
    I want to trade in the 5 HogPC systems worth of super widgets, widgets, wings and iPC 12" touch screens for some RoadHog's... Have upgraded our 2 iPC's to 17" touchscreens already.

    Craig
  • CRBatchelorCRBatchelor Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Well, if you are looking to unload some of your used Hog PC and iPC pieces, let us know, I for one would be interested.
  • Mika_AusMika_Aus Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Is the software straigh hog 3 pc or is it a different build? I have been ready that there are a few un happy people with the hog 3 the i pc and I was wondering if it is the same build on the road hog or if it is different to the rest of the products.
  • teericksonteerickson Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    Michael,

    The Road Hog is running a new v2.2 build of the Wholehog 3 control software. The Road Hog does use the same .msi installer that we use for Hog 3PC stand-alone and Hog 3PC on the Hog iPC, but it will not allow versions older than 2.2 to be installed. As we move forward, our major software releases will probably be released for all platforms at once, although this isn't as big a deal for the Road Hog because it does not support networking.

    I hope this answers your question.
  • Mika_AusMika_Aus Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Sorry to be a pain. Is the console made to the same quality as the hog pc wings or have you make some cheaper subsitutions on faders ect. Not to sound harsh but there is an open day in Australia and I wont be able to make it but I will need to order a console in the next few days and I was just wondering why this is so much cheaper then the rest of the hog family. I know it doen;t have networking is that the only reason? :dunno:
  • bradpepebradpepe Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    Michael,

    Don't worry you are not a "pain". These are good questions to ask when considering a console purchase.

    The Road Hog uses the same Penny and Giles faders as on all our current Wholehog products. The flash keys and other buttons are also the same, in fact most all the components are shared between our various products.
    Much of the cost reduction comes from changes to the chassis, desklights, and encoder knobs. Also as you point out, the reduced DMX output capabilities (only 2048 ch) and non-networking allows us to sell this item at a lower price.

    From a programming and operation standpoint, the Road Hog console is of the same high quality that the Wholehog consoles are known for.
  • Refuge711Refuge711 Registered User
    edited April 2007
    I can't wait to get my hands on it!!! Sounds like its not a bad console for church use and small shows.
  • teericksonteerickson Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    Will,

    Thanks for your kind words. The Road Hog as been very well received so far and we're very excited about the addition to our product line.

    To provide a few more details about what Brad had mentioned earlier, All of the front panel controls use the same components as our other products. The encoders have different caps on them, but even the encoders themselves are identical to our other consoles. Brad mentioned most of the other differences, including the change from lots of custom, anodized metalwork to our new, sleek panels.

    Thanks.
  • Mika_AusMika_Aus Registered User
    edited April 2007
    What are the differences with the chassis is it just a different layout or is it made form something different?
  • teericksonteerickson Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    The Road Hog is a completely new chassis design, but it is built from aluminum like the other products in the Wholehog 3 family. Our testing has shown it to be a very sturdy and road-worthy console and it definitely has the high build quality that users expect to see from High End Systems and Flying Pig Systems products.
  • Mika_AusMika_Aus Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Thanks for that Tom I will talk to the accounts department and get the money allocated and get the ball in motion what is the wait times on these consoles??
  • jxgriffijxgriffi Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited April 2007
    In theory, I should be getting mine next week. :headbang:
  • teericksonteerickson Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited April 2007
    Michael,

    The Road Hog has been very well received so far. We've taken orders and consoles are now shipping. I'm not sure what the lead times are and I would assume that they change as orders come in and consoles ship.

    I would suggest that you contact your local dealer or regional sales manager to get the most accurate information about how quickly we could get you a console. If you're not sure who that is, send me a private message here or an email to let me know where you're located and I can get back to you with additional information.

    Thanks.
  • nunnynunny Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Finally managed to get my hands on a roadhog this last weekend and was very impressed,

    Transition from the hok 500/1k range i found very easy, also loved the inbuilt manual!!

    Very good powerful small desk!
  • EH-dbluxEH-dblux Registered User
    edited May 2008
    so.. now opening an old thread.. those of you guys that use the roadhog.. is it a problem not having the built in CDRW drive!

    and do you have other issues with the console.. (im thinking of bying one myself, and just wants to hear the users point of view)

    best regards
    Emil Hojmark
  • tbslytertbslyter Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2008
    I have used several Road Hogs and Full Boars both on shows and in our showroom. Good desk, a little different feel from the other Hog 3 products.

    So far it's been very stable even driving lots of LEDs and media servers. Also have not experienced any noticiable lag in processing even when running lots of LEDs with effects engine loops and multiple cue lists. In our showroom we run as many as 20 cuelists at a time and have not had any issues.

    As has been stated, having a 3rd monitor would be nice and many are hopeful that will be enabled ala the iPC especially since they came out with wings for it. Would be nice to use the screen in the Road Hog wings with the Road Hog desk. But if you are careful building your views, you can work around it for programming smaller shows.

    A couple quirks to get used to. The armrest is pretty non-existant so you have to be careful when resting your wrists on the console as you can start pushing buttons especially your arrow keys without even realizing it. (Turn your bumps off if you aren't using them.) Also you may have to prop the back of the desk up to see the bottom of the screen (command line) unless you are sitting very high or leaning over the console. Works great for standing, but a little shallow for sitting height. Encoder wheels being lighter take a little bit to used to if you are accustomed to the heavy metal wheels. Desk lights go off rather than dim in stand by mode as there is only white. Aside from the screen angle most of those things are minor and if you haven't run the other Hog III products you wouldn't notice them.

    As far as storage goes, you can connect an external CD-RW if you want optical storage. I think are biggest issue with storage is that the top USB port won't work with almost any other USB key than the FPS that ships with it. They should be selling those and giving them away as SWAG candy. Otherwise you are stuck using a port on the back which is not as convienent. Also I would highly recomment using multiple flash drives and we have seen those go bad on occasion. I consider them a transfer device, but for back-ups I always go back and burn a CD and write to an HDD or Zip disk. Also it seems there is a big difference in quality of flash drives so I would say don't cheap out, but a good brand name drive.

    Remains to be seen how the new style of construction will hold up to the riggers of touring or rental business, but the case design is solid. Overall a great desk for many applications. You get the full effects engine and all the software features of Hog III OS so you can run anything from conventional to DL.3s. A lot of bang for the buck in a compact 1-piece package.


    Travis Slyter
    Ruehling Associates
  • bradpepebradpepe Registered User, HES Alumni
    edited May 2008
    Travis,

    you said "...USB key than the FPS that ships with it. They should be selling those and giving them away as SWAG candy."

    The USB drive is part number 90903025 and can be purchased directly. At tradeshows and in some special events we do give them out as SWAG. I took 24 with me to give out at LDI this last year...
  • PimmerPacKPimmerPacK Registered User
    edited May 2008
    I use all the Hog's, and do not have any problem with the RoadHog. They work as good as the big Hog, also with all the 4 lines in use.

    I have a USB-zipdrive, so I can work on any Hog3-desk and still have all my show- and preference-files. Works really well for me.
    I did notice I have more merging-show issues on the RoadHog's and iPC's then on the big Hog.
  • tbslytertbslyter Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2008
    Brad, thanks for the update. Good to know you can purchase them. Probably should get a bundle for our rental desks. Ron won one from the LN at a raffle last year at LDI, so they make great PR items. Nice work with the Showpix.

    Travis
  • cmuenchowcmuenchow Registered User, Administrator, HES Staff
    edited October 2009
    Starting today Road Hog officially supports Midi I/O via MAUDIO's external USB UNO midi interface. All that is required is that the Road Hog be running XPE Image version 1.4.0 or greater. See the v3.1.0 release notes for details.
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