Copy efx

How do you copy efx? I have effx recorded to 8 fixtures, but on this show I have 12. I would like to copy the same efx from fixtures 1 to 8 to 9-12. I open the cue and try to copy but it doesn't work. I didn't think to replicate the fixture and I have since programmed a bunch with 12 fixtures that I don't want to lose. I even tried recording an efx palette and then applied the palette to all my fixtures but it only worked on the initial 8. It is efx only with no under lying fixture info. Can you also copy effects from one fixture type to another assuming they share the same parameters?

Also why when I open some cues the efx are in red and in some cues the efx are black. I can copy the red efx cues but not the black