No cross fade for chases on road hog

HeinrichHeinrich Registered User
Is there any way to change the cross fade on my road hog for chases? When I hold the choose button the encoders allow me to change rate and size but no cross fade as the manual would indicate. When I manually type in the crossfade there seems to be no effect. I can change fade times but the crossfade should be relative to the bpm of the chase.

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  • Flyer8989Flyer8989 Registered User
    edited April 2014
    There seems to be no encoder wheel option to change the cross fade rate when you hold down the choose button. The option is available in the que list options menu. Is there a reason this feature was removed?
  • mikeyraymikeyray Registered User
    edited May 2014
    I was wondering the same thing
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    Manual is showing the state of older software builds.
    With the introduction of efx-size and efx-rate for encoder options the crossfade for chases was removed.
  • mikeyraymikeyray Registered User
    edited May 2014
    Dont see why , there are enough slots and alsoxfade would be used more often dont you think???
    slight oversight
    mikey
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    4 encoders: they are used for Playback Rate, Efx Rate, Efx Size and Intensity

    So all in use
  • mikeyraymikeyray Registered User
    edited May 2014
    So the question still is , how do you change crossfade of a chase
    I would have thought that would be more used than effect times or at least there would be an optioj to tell the cuelist it contains effects , either way I still think its a huge oversight to get rid of the crossfade option when holding down choose
    Also dont really need intensity in a wheel
    mikey
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    Efx-time and rate was very often asked as an option for fader or encoders and my guess it is more often used then x-fade for chases
    To have intensity is necessary so that you can control intensity of virtual cuelists or cuelists that are assigned to a playback-bar without having a wing assigned to it.

    Crossfade is done with the fade-times of the cue
  • mikeyraymikeyray Registered User
    edited May 2014
    Thats not really that good , it should be an option
    so if you are busking live with dimmer chases etc there is no way to live adjust?????
    think about it not really clever to remove that option
    m
  • Flyer8989Flyer8989 Registered User
    edited May 2014
    mikeyray;74379 said:
    Thats not really that good , it should be an option
    so if you are busking live with dimmer chases etc there is no way to live adjust?????
    think about it not really clever to remove that option
    m
    I'm thinking the same thing...not cool that it's gone.
    I used this function a lot on my punt page.
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    I dont know when i used my last chaser.
    Must have been a long time ago. I program more with timing, grouping and buddying.
    I guess there had been more requests for Efx-Rate and Efx-Size so they decided to take it away
    But with folding-masters popping up soon there might be the good chance to get it back
  • LeggyLeggy Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    MLorenz;74382 said:

    But with folding-masters popping up soon there might be the good chance to get it back
    Now I'm curious, what is a folding master?
  • LeggyLeggy Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    Never mind, I just read about them in another thread. Love the sound of them and boss masters!
  • MitchMitch Registered User, HES Staff
    edited May 2014
    Heinrich;73918 said:
    I can change fade times but the crossfade should be relative to the bpm of the chase.
    If I understand correctly. When using WAIT times to control the cues advancing, and not setting IS A CHASE in the options window, you can change the Playback Rate and the Cross Fade stays relative to the Playback Rate. For example put 5 seconds in the WAIT column for each cue in the sequence. When pressing and holding CHOOSE the Playback Rate encoder will accomplish it. You mention Chases so I assume you are selecting IS A CHASE in the Options tab.

    You can also press and hold CHOOSE and tap the PLAY button at the speed you would like and the BPM will reflect the speed between the button presses. Fade also changes to stay relative to the BPM.
  • mikeyraymikeyray Registered User
    edited May 2014
    Mitch
    Thats not much help when using dimmer chases , live crossfade should still be accessable
    Plus when is a chase going to contain efx usually its a single cue or stack of cues a chase is always going to be a chase and need the relevant adjustments on the wheels
    mikey
  • inthe128inthe128 Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    mikeyray;74471 said:
    Mitch
    Thats not much help when using dimmer chases , live crossfade should still be accessable
    Plus when is a chase going to contain efx usually its a single cue or stack of cues a chase is always going to be a chase and need the relevant adjustments on the wheels
    mikey
    I would think when you hold the choose button down then whatever is in one that playback, scene, list, list/chase should have encoders suited to the item on the playback
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    Andy, problem is that with a 5 encoder console it would work:

    Playbackrate
    Efx size
    Efx rate
    X-fade
    Intensity

    But what about a 4 encoder console?
    Because you can have also EFX in a scene, list or chase.

    I don´t use chases very often, as I prefer to use programming with timing but I see the need for a x-fade option without changing the fade time, which would have the same result
  • inthe128inthe128 Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    I would personally say in a list that is a chase that speed and crossfade are the most important things, I do not think i would ever have FX involved, not to say some folk might like to do all that, but if running a chase these are important parts to control and have access to.

    I think then when you select this is a chase, then you should get the option to tick a box to say how best you want to control the chase, but although I do not make lists into a chase very often, the speed and crossfade is alway adjusted.

    The times I want a chase style something that is more complex I will use follow and macro that list into a show playback or make links, but certainly a less complex 4 cue chase I want access to crossfade, old skool Marc :)
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    Have to agree with you Andy, in a chase i would only need rate and x-fade.
    But you know all these ideas and options and all questions I had been asked during all my trainings that there are people around that would like to combine chases with efx.

    So I´m with you that if we have "Is a chase" selected we should have on the encoders: rate, x-fade and intensity.
    If you have a list with efx that sould act like a chase you could set all wait-cells to follow, and then have access to the rate and efx-parameters
  • inthe128inthe128 Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited May 2014
    Marc, I kinda think they way I would do things, a VM fired from the main playback is a list for me if it requires complex time or its a one shot run of something, if its simple 4 step something simple, then its a chase.

    The first way is done with a known fade time and how I want to time the sequence, the second way is more a live feel that needs adjustment.

    I guess when we get palette to palette FX then the chase can become a little more redundant.
  • mikeyraymikeyray Registered User
    So heres a thought on this ,how about having a wheelset editor in the chase options
    problem solved
    mikey
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