Parameter Times In Reference Palette Don't Indicate In Recorded Cue List

Buzz313thBuzz313th Registered User
Ver 2.0 509b
FB4

Cuelist fade and delay times will indicate default cuelist time values when cues are recorded from a reference palette that contains independent parameter time values.

Repro....

Make sure default programming timing in preferences is set to 2 sec globally.

Make sure position directory has mask set up to allow Position, Intensity and Time.

1. Select mover 1
2. Set tilt +90 and intensity full
3. Press "Time 1 Enter"
4. Press "Intensity Time Time .25 Enter"
5. Record as a Reference palette in position directory, making sure to include Position, Intensity and time. Name palette "Reference"
6. Without clearing the programmer, Record as a Direct palette in position directory, making sure to include Position, Intensity and time. Name palette "Direct"

7. Using the two palettes created, record each one into its own cue. You will notice that the cue that was recorded from the direct palette will show the proper times in the cuelist window, but the cue that was recorded with the reference palette will show a fade time of 2 sec and a delay of 0 sec which is the default time values.

I understand that the cuelist is not indicating proper timing values since it is referencing a palette, but now that we have the ability to create and program using timing palettes, it might be a bit confusing if the cuelists are indicating wrong times.

Thanks

JB

Comments

  • cmuenchowcmuenchow Registered User, Administrator, HES Staff
    edited November 2013
    Jeff, I am a little thrown off by this procedure as your repro involves recording a reference palette from the programmer but there are no references to palettes in your programmer when you record the position palette with "allow refs" enabled. Is there something I am missing here? Perhaps there is a misunderstand of what "allow refs" does?
  • barnes2000barnes2000 Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited November 2013
    I just tried this, and although Chris is right about there not really being a reference, I actually created three cues....one with a direct palette, one with a regular palette, and a third masking reference(even though its not really referencing other palettes). All three cues do have the timing correct if you open the cue and look at the timing of the fixture, however, the timing info on the Playback Bar for the two cues using regular and reference palettes are displaying the default timing and not the timing of the fixture in the cue. There are no other fixtures in these cues, and no other parameters other than the ones that have the new timing values, so there should be no reason for the default timing being diplayed on the playback bar. The cue using the Direct palette is displaying the proper timing on the playback bar.

    Is what you were seeing Jeff?
  • Buzz313thBuzz313th Registered User
    edited November 2013
    c_muenchow wrote: »
    Jeff, I am a little thrown off by this procedure as your repro involves recording a reference palette from the programmer but there are no references to palettes in your programmer when you record the position palette with "allow refs" enabled. Is there something I am missing here? Perhaps there is a misunderstand of what "allow refs" does?


    It's my fault for using the term "Reference Palette". I was using the term Reference Palette" to define any palette that is not a "Direct" Palette. Sorry bout that.

    So if you follow my repro, you will see that even though both palettes, the direct one and the one that was recorded without the direct option, are used to record two separate cues, the cue that was recorded with the direct palette will indicate the correct time values in the playback bar and the cuelist window, where the cue that was recorded by using the non direct palette displays incorrect time values (Default time values) in the playback bar and the cuelist window.

    Hope that explains my miscommunication.

    JB
  • Buzz313thBuzz313th Registered User
    edited November 2013
    barnes2000 wrote: »
    I just tried this, and although Chris is right about there not really being a reference, I actually created three cues....one with a direct palette, one with a regular palette, and a third masking reference(even though its not really referencing other palettes). All three cues do have the timing correct if you open the cue and look at the timing of the fixture, however, the timing info on the Playback Bar for the two cues using regular and reference palettes are displaying the default timing and not the timing of the fixture in the cue. There are no other fixtures in these cues, and no other parameters other than the ones that have the new timing values, so there should be no reason for the default timing being diplayed on the playback bar. The cue using the Direct palette is displaying the proper timing on the playback bar.

    Is what you were seeing Jeff?

    Yes Scott, that's exactly what I tried to explain. Thanks for clarifying it..

    JB
Sign In or Register to comment.