HOG 4 Mac OS,

bassmanbassman Registered User
edited November 2012 in Hog 4 OS Software Discussion
Well we be able to use NanoHog4 with Mac OS ? ore it have to be with PC(windows) only. Will be ready for Windows 8 ?:footinmouth:

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  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited October 2012
    Here are the specs for the Hog4 Pc application :

    Minimum System Requirements
    Operating System:
    Windows® XP 32-bit (SP3 or greater)
    Windows Vista 32 or 64-bit (SP2 or greater)
    Windows 7 32 or 64-bit (SP1 or greater)
    CPU: Dual Core 1.7Ghz or faster
    RAM: 1GB minimum (2GB recommended)
    Hard Drive: 5GB of free hard drive space
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited October 2012
    I talked to some developers during LDI.
    A Mac OS Version of HogPC is still on the list, but at the moment there are more important things that must be done
    But you can boot your Mac in Windows via Bootcamp. That will work, for preprogramming also a virtual machine is working great
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited October 2012
    The question here is if they will release a version for Linux.

    I love my mac but if I have to use the HogPc I wish to use it under linux.
  • MLorenzMLorenz Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited October 2012
    Linux should be also possible, as all new consoles work with Linux.
    I´m not a programmer, so I don´t know how difficult it is to port to different OS Versions.
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited October 2012
    Yeah Linux was possible on Os3 too, but they did not want to release it for obvious reasons.

    I wish they are going to change their mind for Os4 .
  • gematgemat Registered User
    edited October 2012
    The Hog PC4 Download Link ITS NOT WORKING http://www.flyingpig.com/support/downloads/Hog4PC_1-0-0-300.msi
  • CRBatchelorCRBatchelor Registered User
    edited October 2012
    Because it is not being released for another week or so...
  • Michael_GrahamMichael_Graham Registered User, Administrator, HES Staff
    edited November 2012
    Hello

    Sorry but Hog 4PC will not be released on Linux.
    You will have to run into on a Windows computer or a Mac running windows.
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    I can't understand why you can't release the linux version. I wondering where is the problem.

    I could understand it at the time of hog3 where linux was not really famous, but today ubuntu is taking more and more market share, it's stable and perfect to run a professional application like hog4 pc is. On top of all this reasons Hog4 is already written for linux and it will not cost any work for you to let it run on a pc .

    I don't search for an answer, I just want to point out that hogcpc for linux is out there already.

    Thanks
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited November 2012
    emilianomorgia@mac.com;63015 said:
    I don't search for an answer, I just want to point out that hogcpc for linux is out there already.

    Yes and No.....it exists for the Linux version and hardware specific to the new consoles, but not as a general Linux program.

    Creating a general Linux version means that every time new features are developed they would need to be tested on other Linux platforms and hardware sets as well before they can release.

    Personally I think they are very smart to keep the new desks all on Linux and offer just a PC based standalone program.

    It seems to me that this keeps testing to a minimum and will ultimately allow them to crank out new features and potential fixes faster.

    Hope this helps. :)
  • bassmanbassman Registered User
    edited November 2012
    So, Hog4 OS is on linux except Hog PC, which is understanding . To use Hog4 on Mac OS we have to wait little more.
    I agree with Emiliano, if I have to use PC than rather use my MAC OS.
    Thank you all.
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited November 2012
    emilianomorgia@mac.com;62919 said:
    The question here is if they will release a version for Linux.

    I love my mac but if I have to use the HogPc I wish to use it under linux.
    The bigger question (to me at least) is whether any version of Hog-4 is still based on Linux, or if they have crippled the entire product family with WhinDuhs . . . At least in the Hog-3, the full-up console wasn't plagued by Win* . . .

    (bassman - I would not be too sure about that . . the first thing HES did when they bought Hog-3 was to drive it towards Whin* . . . Only the full-up Hog-3 was Linux . . . Everything released on the HES watch was crippled . . . )

    - Tim
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited November 2012
    emilianomorgia@mac.com;62921 said:
    Yeah Linux was possible on Os3 too, but they did not want to release it for obvious reasons.

    I wish they are going to change their mind for Os4 .
    What obvious reasons? They didn't want to release a stable, easy to install version?

    C'Mon . . . anyone who thinks Win* is easier hasn't spent much time on Linux . . .

    - Tim
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    As far I know , today is not difficult to create a crossplatform application .
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    tadawson;63108 said:
    What obvious reasons?
    If they are going to release a Linux version you can build your own consolle . Hardware and software . You can can create a custom Os that run the Hog4 Only something you can't do it with Windows.

    With Linux you can do what ever you want, linux it's super stable Windows is not.
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited November 2012
    Marty Postma;63022 said:
    Yes and No.....it exists for the Linux version and hardware specific to the new consoles, but not as a general Linux program.

    Creating a general Linux version means that every time new features are developed they would need to be tested on other Linux platforms and hardware sets as well before they can release.

    Personally I think they are very smart to keep the new desks all on Linux and offer just a PC based standalone program.

    It seems to me that this keeps testing to a minimum and will ultimately allow them to crank out new features and potential fixes faster.

    Hope this helps. :)
    Not if it's coded correctly . . . It would mean verification with kernel levels, and that's just about it . . . Hardware should be an irrelevancy *if* either system drivers (or properly written) drivers are used, which are not specific kernel dependent.

    NVidia does it for full video cards, and they are *NOT* in any way kernel-specific. If major changes happen in a kernel, then yet, there is an update, but I have seen about 3 changes for that in about 4 years . . . Not exactly a big problem. What they do is provide the kernel to driver "bridge" module as source, and the "hard part" as a binary - hence, secrets kept, but builds on most kernels, and compatibility is ensured. For network drivers and such, HES should never touch them - they are a part of the system, and any card supported by that kernel should work . . . Video and USB devices as well . . .

    - Tim
  • Michael_GrahamMichael_Graham Registered User, Administrator, HES Staff
    edited November 2012
    tadawson;63107 said:
    The bigger question (to me at least) is whether any version of Hog-4 is still based on Linux, or if they have crippled the entire product family with WhinDuhs . . . At least in the Hog-3, the full-up console wasn't plagued by Win* . . .

    - Tim

    Our whole product line is running Linux. (H4-FB4-RH4)
    The only product running windows is 4PC.
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited November 2012
    Well color me immensely surprised and happy as heck! With all the movement toward Win (and lack of any updates to Hog-3 to speak of . . . ) in it's life cycle, I appeared that HES was pretty strongly Win- centric, especially with all the "justifications" I got back from folks when I questioned that choice!

    Welcome back to progress!

    And good to know that I don't need to write off the new platform as a viable choice!

    And if I may ask, what changed to cause this 180 flip in direction? Oh, and no more MIPs processors though, right?

    - Tim
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    tadawson;63117 said:
    And if I may ask, what changed to cause this 180 flip in direction?
    Who care about the past? now all the product line run Linux that's what I care of. just wish Pc version too .
  • bellonsbellons Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited November 2012
    I really don't understand why End Users are so concerned about running the Hog4pc on one platform rather than another one. At the end of the day We should all be concerned about other things such as stability and new features. As far as I know there's no difference between running an application on a mac or on a pc as far it meets the standards you're looking for.
    I run all my lighting application on a mac book pro running windows under bootcamp and I personally feel very comfortable. More or less we're all lighting programmer more than application programmer and we definitely shouldn't be concerned about using Windows, Mac os or linux. HES made the wise decision to run the Hog4pc under windows. That's it. As simple as that.
    This is a thread which has been dragged over forever and I reckon quite worthlessly. Personally even if they released a mac version I'd continue using it under bootcamp to be able to run on the same machine Hog4pc and Wysiwyg together. Or should we ask Cast to make a mac version of their software as well? What I want is definitely new features. GUI improvements, more graphical and interactive Editors developed around the new 10 points multi-touch screens, a new effect engine, CITP and RDM implementation, pixel mapping. And if these new features were run off Windows 3.0 I would't be concerned at all whatsoever.
    Hasta la vista
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    bellons;63120 said:
    I really don't understand why End Users are so concerned about running the Hog4pc on one platform rather than another one.
    so you have to take care of two different OS? You manage upgrades for Osx and Windows? are you setting up all your clients , mail , chat , google drive , dropbox , and so on on both Os?

    I personally spend too much time to administrate two different Os , I use my mac for everything but Wysiwyg and hogpc . The result is :

    I have spend about 500 euro for windows 7 , ( shortly I'll have to spend more for windows 8 )

    I have to spend more money for the space of a SSD since I use two different os .

    Every time I log in in to windows I have to spend 15 minutes to upgrade it to lasted version.

    windows require a virus scan and it cost money

    Linux doesn't need anything like this.

    I don't see the point of your sentence, so why people using Mac? Why others using linux? Should we all run windows?
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited November 2012
    emilianomorgia@mac.com;63121 said:
    I don't see the point of your sentence, so why people using Mac? Why others using linux? Should we all run windows?

    In the end, what you choose for your personal life is one thing, but lighting programs have been traditionally PC based. There are some that support both Win + Mac, but they all start with PC.

    Why is this? Because when you enter the world of Apple you become bound by their very strict hardware rules as well as software. Whereas in the PC world you have an exponentially larger choice of hardware plaforms and options to choose from. Not to mention that support for said hardware will be included in future software builds, so when you make a third party device you don't have to worry that it will suddenly not work in the next release as is typical with Apple.

    Having said that I like Linux and Mac OSX feel and workflows, but for Apple particularly it seems ridiculous to spend as much as 500% more for some of the same chips offered in PCs just to get there.

    Like I said at the start, if you choose one or the other for your personal work....that is one thing, but when you need lighting tools you need to run in a PC environment.

    So if you choose a Mac.....that's where the extra cost lies....not with having to buy Windows then to run all your lighting tools.
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    Marty I can't agree with you . In the past maybe but today OsX is largely used by most of the people and pros in the industry. I rarely work with colleagues that own a PC. Most of all that own a Pc don't really use it they just maintain it. Pc user usually have to take care of updates, viruses, malware. Most of the hard drive is occupied by useless applications like windows movie maker, internet explorer, and many other useless applications that just waste your pc resources in term of hd , ram, CPU and GPU. Is it a fact that windows is largely known as a very bad Os full of bugs and very vulnerable most of all as you are pointing the same hardware running much faster with linux. The cost of a mac is justified by Osx and the incredible user experience that come with it. No virus, no malware, very few security updates, super stable Os, basically uncrashable. It's very common to see Pc with BSOD or with pop up that require the user attention to some unknown errors. windows is not a professional OS it's good for cheep computers only. All the lighitng applications started with a Pc since most of the people used to have a pc in the past but that it's something related to the last century. today I hardly find happy windows users and if I found one I always find that he spend most of his time to maintenance his os rather then use it. Is is a fact that most of all applications used commonly are multiplatform. Also please consider what others have done in the past , look at Catalyst , Artisan , Virtuoso, V676 . Catalyst in particular is on the market for more then 15 years and it didn't had any hardware compatibility in all this time. Look outside the industry Autodesk released Autocad for Mac , wait ! what ? a professional application made for architects on Mac ? Why ? Numbers are saying that the windows based pc industry is not doing well since very long time and if you connect the points you can see that Macs will growing more and more in the futures years. Hog3 was born over 10 years ago and that was a different time. Today in 2013 it's clear that Macs are taking market share over the Windows Based. Looking at the future of windows with windows 8 it's clear that a professional application like hog4pc can't run on a sort of media center for cheep hardware as windows 8 with his "METRO" style look like. Again Metro will use your ram , your hd , your GPU and your CPU resources for what? Live Tiles? C'mon ... Sure you can hack it and disable all this fancy features but again this is mean spending time and time means money . You are very free to hack your system as you like to make it run faster and try to make it more stable but windows was not , is not and will not be a good os. These are facts . If you want my personal opinion about windows rather then the facts I can tell you that every time I log in to it I'm really scared about it and I don't feel confortable to run Applications like wysiwyg or HogPc in such unstable system. We could go on forever. Fact is that most of the people wish a Hogpc4mac.

    I know very long answer but it's needed for this topic.
  • RobfulRobful Registered User
    edited November 2012
    Actually, there has been a sharp rise in the number of viruses, malware and exploits on OSX in recent times. It is no longer safe to run a Mac without anti-virus software.


    To add balance to this debate, I have been using Hog 3PC for six years on Windows machines, on live shows and they have all been completely rock-solid - never crashed and no BSODs. Any problems I have had have been due to documented bugs within the Hog 3 software itself.
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    Robert you are not correctly informed , there are none Viruses ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus ) for Osx,there has been problem with Java but that not part os the Os it self and there has been 2 or 3 malware that as been installed by the users them self purposely. There is no way to be attached by a virus on osx until you are going to give access to it intentionally by typing the password. BTW this all end with the introduction of the Mac App Store and gate Keeper on the lasted Osx 10.8 Mountain Lion.
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    Clearly there are more chryslers or fiat rather then ferrari or Dodge Viper
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    srautane;63144 said:
    As they say in the article ... all the malware are very old starting from the 2006. all of this malware was installed by the user and manly downloaded from bittorrent, porn site, or unknown sources.

    It's very very very rare to be affected by a malware on Mac Osx specially on the lasted 10.8 mountain lion , of corse windows is still the most used Os right now. Right now .
  • srautanesrautane Registered User, Hog Beta
    edited November 2012
    This thread sounds to me a bit biased.
    I personally have no problem with my Windows. Runs smooth and is as solid as OS X.
    Cost of the Windows was under 300€. If I want to upgrade to 8 it will cost 30€
    Microsoft Security Essentials is free. Got no problem with viruses, malware, spyware. Most important is just to use common sense.
    I'm running Wyg, Sketchup, Lightroom, Kolor Autopano, Photomatix, Games, Spotify, Voip programs, Hog. I see no point changing to OS X.

    Though, I have nothing against having a Hog in OS X. But putting resources to something which has a really small market share is a bit waste of money.

    More than a OS X version I would like to see a Linux version.
    I want to be free and that's why I choose Win or Linux.
  • Emiliano MorgiaEmiliano Morgia Registered User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah Linux is the answer for me too , even if I would prefer a mac version I understand that this cost resources. Linux seams less expensive
  • bassmanbassman Registered User
    edited November 2012
    I agree with Emiliano ,most of us feel much relaxed with Mac OS. If all those pro programs existed in MAC OS I believe everyone , and I mean everyone would use strictly MAC OS and never use WPC.... Pc should be only for entertainment , E-mails internet searching engine, while all those programs for pro tools such lighting consoles , sound ,cad ,etcr should be in MAC OS.
    But thats a bissnis.
  • Marty PostmaMarty Postma Registered User, DL Beta, Hog Beta
    edited November 2012
    Lets talk about straight facts.....
    PCs are still 80% of the market-share worldwide.
    Android is rapidly outgunning iOS (they just took 75% of the market share last quarter).

    As has already been discussed a bit in this thread Macs create the illusion of being more secure, when in fact they are actually far more vulnerable to an attack than PC systems....but with such a small percentage of computers being Apple based, it really isn't worth anyone's time yet to go after them with viruses, etc...

    Try hooking up a Blu-Ray drive and playing a Blu-Ray movie on your Mac......you can't.....the HD standard for consumer video is not supported by Apple b/c they don't want to pay license fees to Sony.

    Try getting the latest and greatest video card and putting it in your Mac Pro tower.......only if Apple decides to support it....and only then, and it will probably be 6 months to a year before they do so if you're lucky.

    If you choose a Mac (and I understand why some might), you simply must have a dual boot system if you intend on running any serious lighting software tools.

    I would say that without the dual-boot option, far fewer people in this business would even bother with a Mac for professional purposes.

    We can debate the merits and drawbacks of each system endlessly, but that is far beyond the scope of this forum.

    There simply is no good reason to bog down a developer (any developer not just consoles) with having to test on Mac OS as well as PC when folks already need to have a dual-boot system if they run Mac in this industry.
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited November 2012
    bassman;63184 said:
    I agree with Emiliano ,most of us feel much relaxed with Mac OS. If all those pro programs existed in MAC OS I believe everyone , and I mean everyone would use strictly MAC OS and never use WPC.... Pc should be only for entertainment , E-mails internet searching engine, while all those programs for pro tools such lighting consoles , sound ,cad ,etcr should be in MAC OS.
    But thats a bissnis.
    Myself, that's how I feel about Linux . . . The MAC (at least to me) is a decent OS with an intolerably dumbed down UI, and non-remarkable hardware. Couple that with Apple having *ZERO* footprint in the data center (where stability is job *ONE*), tending to indicate that they are more in the play-toy market, and not serious computing. Linux, however, is in many Fortune 500 (and above) data centers, and it meets all those critieria, and the UI is what *YOU* want it to be - not what someone tells you you are supposed to like . . . And lastly, as mentioned above, the standard-avoidant behaviour of Apple makes many simple things far more painful than they need to be . . . . again, a clear win for Linux, since nobody can tell you what you can and can't run on the platform . . .

    Windows? If you don't care if you have it available at any given point in time, it can work . . . Just don't make a living depending on it - you will likely get burned . . .

    Granted, this argument has as much bearing on the use of Linux in consoles as much as it does in support software, but it's valid in either case . . . And if companies would spend the time to write portable code (and not just be lazy to make a quick $$$), then cross platform availability would not be an issue, and we could all run what we like, with no compatibility issues - which, to me, would be the ideal world.

    - Tim
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