Jands Echelon / Hog 1K - Create Fixture Profile

metroentmetroent Registered User
Hi everyone,

So the venue i operate at use a Jands Echelon board (rebranded Hog 1000) & the venue will very soon be getting some new LED moving head wash fixtures, however they are a generic unbranded fixture that do not have a fixture profile.

The company providing them said they can give me the DMX chart & i will have to create my own fixture profile, so just wanting to get some tips on how i would do this?, all the other fixtures in use at the venue have fixture profiles in the board already.

Some step by step instructions would be a massive massive help.

Cheers.

Comments

  • maikelmaikel Registered User
    edited December 2011
    hi

    you need a pc or mac with a floppy,

    safe a show with the 1k on the floppy
    open the libary folder and open the liblib file with a text editor

    when you set a new fixture you have to set count +1

    try this copy in for example edit it , try and error :


    //-------------------------------------------------------
    fixture = Ab700
    manufacturer = 1
    product = 63
    name = Abeam 700st
    yoke = yes

    output = dmx

    parameter = Cyan
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Magenta
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Yellow
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Colour
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 128, 255, >>
    range = 0, 8, white
    range = 9, 22, red
    range = 23, 37, ctb
    range = 38, 52, green
    range = 53, 67, lighgree
    range = 68, 82, lavender
    range = 83, 97, aqua
    range = 98, 112, orange
    range = 113, 127, blue

    parameter = Strobe
    default = 104
    highlight = 104
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 213, 251, random, noauto
    range = 108, 207, pulse, noauto
    range = 209, open, noauto
    range = 0, closed
    range = 4, 103, str, noauto
    range = 104, open, noauto

    parameter = Intensity
    default = 0
    highlight = 65535
    crossfade = 0
    type = htp16bit
    range = 0, 65535, %

    parameter = Iris
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Gobo 1
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Gobo 2
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Gobo 2 <>
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Prism
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Prism <>
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Frost
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, none
    range = 67, lens
    range = 127, frost
    range = 165, frost 2
    range = 255, prism

    parameter = Focus
    default = 128
    highlight = 128
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Pan
    default = 32768
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp16bit
    deflection = 450
    range = 0, 65535, %

    parameter = Tilt
    default = 32768
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp16bit
    deflection = 252
    offset = 0
    range = 0, 65535, %

    parameter = Funktion
    default = 51
    highlight = 51
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 51, defold
    range = 39, convent
    range = 26, norm spe
    range = 13, fast spe

    parameter = Reset
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 25, idle
    range = 26, 76, effect r
    range = 77, 127, pan/tilt
    range = 128, 255, complet

    parameter = Lamp cont
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 1
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, idle, noauto
    range = 100, lamp off, noauto
    range = 135, lamp hal, noauto
    range = 255, lamp on, noauto
  • maikelmaikel Registered User
    edited December 2011
  • metroentmetroent Registered User
    edited December 2011
    Hey, thanks so much for taking the time to write all that up, much appreciated.

    I'll give it all a try & let you know how i go :headbang:
  • ptlightingptlighting Registered User
    edited December 2011
    If it is the elation led wash 60. I have the profile for it. Just let me know if you need it.
  • metroentmetroent Registered User
    edited December 2011
    Hey Patrick,

    No these are just a generic unbranded Chinese 108 x 3 Watt LED moving head, i absolutely do not encourage buying Chinese lighting fixtures, but i also do not own the venue & the owner is someone who does not care for 'brands'

    Cheers though.
  • jazzerazjazzeraz Registered User
    edited January 2012
    I have a Hog 1k running Wholehog II v3.3 (177). I've received some American DJ Mega Bar 50 LED and want to add the fixture to my library. I've created the disk from the web page for adding fixtures, but when I go to add it following the directions I've seen, I don't get the same page from my show disk. I see the .lib file, but when I open it to add the fixture I get long streams of numbers. Am i missing something?
  • metroentmetroent Registered User
    edited January 2012
    Yeah, it's all a bit too difficult, I'm thinking of upgrading to newer technology, I'll always enjoy the hog, but gotta move with the times eventually.
  • NavigatorNavigator Registered User
    edited January 2012
    Maikel is correct guys, the easiest way to edit your libraries is to do it on a PC with a floppy drive (if you can find one), following these instructions-

    http://flyingpig.com/support/hog2/technotes/addingHog2libraries.pdf

    As for creating the library files, you should be able to figure out how to do it by taking existing libraries and doing a little editing and cutting & pasting. A couple of things to be aware of-
    1) Make sure you write the parameters in the same order as they are listed on your DMX chart for the fixture.
    2) If your DMX chart indicates "fine" control on a separate channel-
    (ex- Ch 1 = Pan, Ch 2 = Pan (fine)
    -write that as one parameter, but show it as 16 bit instead of 8 bit.
    3) make sure that all of the names you show for your parameters are also listed in the FUNCTION.TXT file in the Library folder.

    Tip- If you list the manufacturer as "0", the fixture will show up in your "Generic" folder on the Hog.

    I can send you a library file I created which includes several kinds of LED fixtures, both moving and static. and it should include every kind of parameter you will run into. Just let me know.

    If that seems like to much hassle, there is a link to a good Hog 2 Library Generator (freeware) on Flying Pig's Wholehog 2 Libraries page.

    It's really not all that difficult once you do it a few times!
  • maikelmaikel Registered User
    edited January 2012
    Hi all

    making fixtures for the 1k is a bit tricky but not difficult

    for the 1st idea look to the manual and look to
    http://www.flyingpig.com/support/hog2/technotes/addingHog2libraries.pdf

    special one : for some fixtures eg led pars without dimmer change ltp to htp
    in the color / type

    thumbs up

    Maikel
  • maikelmaikel Registered User
    edited January 2012
    Hi Jazzeraz
    when you safe a blank show on floppy , find and open the lib lib file and paste my blind try text try and error , change and find your way - thumbs up


    version = 40
    count = 2

    //-------------------------------------------------------
    // 4 chn Mega Bar
    // MK 2012 blind try
    fixture = mega bar
    manufacturer = 57
    product = 25
    name = mega bar 4ch

    output = dmx

    parameter = Red
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Intensity
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = htp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    //-------------------------------------------------------
    // 7 chn Mega Bar
    // MK 2012 blind try
    fixture = mega bar
    manufacturer = 57
    product = 26
    name = mega bar 7ch

    output = dmx

    parameter = Red
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Col mod
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Color <>
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Strobe
    default = 0
    highlight = 0
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Intensity
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = htp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited January 2012
    jazzeraz;59011 said:
    I have a Hog 1k running Wholehog II v3.3 (177). I've received some American DJ Mega Bar 50 LED and want to add the fixture to my library. I've created the disk from the web page for adding fixtures, but when I go to add it following the directions I've seen, I don't get the same page from my show disk. I see the .lib file, but when I open it to add the fixture I get long streams of numbers. Am i missing something?
    The file is specifically "_lib.lib" (yes, the underscore is real). There are other files ending in .lib that are *NOT* the one you edit, and I suspect that you grabbed one of those.

    - Tim
  • metroentmetroent Registered User
    edited February 2012
    So as it turns out we ended up getting Martin Mac 101 LED Movers, so i guess i just need to upload the fixture lib for a 101?
  • rocknrozirocknrozi Registered User
    edited September 2013
    Navigator;59211 said:
    Maikel is correct guys, the easiest way to edit your libraries is to do it on a PC with a floppy drive (if you can find one), following these instructions-

    http://flyingpig.com/support/hog2/technotes/addingHog2libraries.pdf

    As for creating the library files, you should be able to figure out how to do it by taking existing libraries and doing a little editing and cutting & pasting. A couple of things to be aware of-
    1) Make sure you write the parameters in the same order as they are listed on your DMX chart for the fixture.
    2) If your DMX chart indicates "fine" control on a separate channel-
    (ex- Ch 1 = Pan, Ch 2 = Pan (fine)
    -write that as one parameter, but show it as 16 bit instead of 8 bit.
    3) make sure that all of the names you show for your parameters are also listed in the FUNCTION.TXT file in the Library folder.

    Tip- If you list the manufacturer as "0", the fixture will show up in your "Generic" folder on the Hog.

    I can send you a library file I created which includes several kinds of LED fixtures, both moving and static. and it should include every kind of parameter you will run into. Just let me know.

    If that seems like to much hassle, there is a link to a good Hog 2 Library Generator (freeware) on Flying Pig's Wholehog 2 Libraries page.

    It's really not all that difficult once you do it a few times!

    Hi There. Would you be willing to send me over that LED library file you have as I am a newb also on her first design and programming mission and have a few fixtures I can't seem to find profiles for anywhere that I need to write.

    email is: [email]rcapuano13@gmail.com[/email]

    Thanks!
    Rosie
  • Jeremyking588Jeremyking588 Registered User
    edited February 2014
    We just bought a used Hog 1000 and im tring to set up fixture profiles for the Chauvet COLORado Batten 72. But every time i go to load it, it is giving me an error. All of the codes are the same as another rgbaw fixture i loaded just fine. Any thoughts? I have included the codes.

    //-------------------------------------------------
    fixture = Batten Block2
    manufacturer = 10
    product = 28
    name = Batten Block 2
    output = dmx

    parameter = Red1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = White1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Amber1
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Red2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = White2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Amber2
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Red3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Green3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Blue3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = White3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %

    parameter = Amber3
    default = 0
    highlight = 255
    crossfade = 0
    type = ltp8bit
    range = 0, 255, %
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited February 2014
    My first thought is that since you did not use a mfg/product code that is unique - if this one carried over from what you started with, the conflict will be fatal. Local adds are normally mfg=99, IIRC . . .
    or, you could always tell us what the error is that you get - that might be helpful!

    - Tim
  • Jeremyking588Jeremyking588 Registered User
    edited February 2014
    The error was

    _lib.lib
    Range = 0, 25t
  • tadawsontadawson Registered User
    edited February 2014
    Did you remember to increment the "count=" field in _LIB.LIB to account for your new definition? If not, that's likely the error . . . .

    - Tim
  • Jeremyking588Jeremyking588 Registered User
    edited February 2014
    Yes. Its the only fixture im putting in.

    Version =40
    Count = 1
  • Jeremyking588Jeremyking588 Registered User
    edited February 2014
    Or it will say fixture not found.
  • lee1989lee1989 Registered User
    has anyone made a profile for a martin smartmac?
  • OpaphisOpaphis Registered User
    Hello! I need some help! ive been trying to write profiles on my own and i have the fixtures partially responding, please let me know if there is anyone who can give me a few pointer :)
  • Role82Role82 Registered User
    Hello Opaphis,

    please post your profile and the fixture type. I'll see, what I can do for you.

    Greetings,
    Roman
  • LIGHTMANNZLIGHTMANNZ Registered User
    Hello World,I Have A Hog 1000 & Need Help Writing A Fixture Library For A Chinese (AAGGHH) Light . It Is Called A UFO Moving Head Light RGBW 4 In 1 (picture Supplied) 1=left & right, 2=fine tune left & right, 3=up & down, 4=fine tune up & down, 5=speed of up & Down & Left & right, 6=dimming, 7=strobe speed, 8=red, 9=green, 10=blue, 11=white, 12=self propelled, 13=reset.If Anyone Can Please Please Help Then Let Me Know.image
  • LIGHTMANNZLIGHTMANNZ Registered User
    Hello Navigator,Could You Please Send Me A library file You created which includes several kinds of LED fixtures, both moving and static. and it should include every kind of parameter I will run into Please.
  • LIGHTMANNZLIGHTMANNZ Registered User
    maikel Sent You A Message On Here A Few Weeks Ago But Not Sure If You Recieved It Or Not.
  • LIGHTMANNZLIGHTMANNZ Registered User
    I Accidentely Wiped My Operating System On My Hog 1000 I Have A Disk Which I Copied It To From My Laptop,It Was V 3.3177 But They Are Zipped Up So I Unzipped Them & Made 2 Floppy Disks (1 For Each Zip File) But The Desk Says Not Disk 1 So Do I Need To Put These Inside A Folder Called DIR As I Tried This With A Windows Start Up Disk & It Tried To Read The DIR Folder On This Floppy,Just Tried Windows Disk As A Test & Realise Hog Doesn't Use This System Thanx.
  • maikelmaikel Registered User
    ?? Whiped ? . can you do a new (clean) show ? what happens when hold Enter while Startup. Do you get a clean start ?
  • LIGHTMANNZLIGHTMANNZ Registered User
    the clean start option is not allowed or says i can't use it,
  • LIGHTMANNZLIGHTMANNZ Registered User
    1. Clean Start (Not Allowed - Program Corrupt) 2.Reload Software 3. Settings & Test 4.Old Show (Not Allowed - Program Corrupt). I Was Originally In Settings & Test When This Happened & I Was Running Auxiliary Test (5) Then ''Run Tests'' (17) & Thought It Had Stopped When It Was Still Running ,So When I Powered It Back On It Had Not Allowed Program Corrupt.So I Will Reload Software But Was Wondering If It Has To Be Inside A Folder Named Dir Please.
  • maikelmaikel Registered User
    Hope you get it runnung.
    Never had this. Can‘t help ...
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