Hog 3 Pc on Mac using parallels

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Hello , I had a chance to run a dp2000 using :

MacBook
Paralles
dp2000

It work !

but it's really hard to config the network .

Also I report few time the dp as crashed .

I'll do better tests .

For the moment I say Don't use a dp 2000 under parallels

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Reporting that HOGPC under parallels crash if I try colour picker / Gel Picker .

It's a graphic card issue , well virtual graphic card issue .

I think hogpc under parallels it's good only for patch .

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

New Beta of parallels , it allow to use the disk of BootCamp partion , inprement of USB ( will widget work ? ) more tool for network ( will dp2000 will be allright ? )

Download the new beta from http://download.parallels.com/beta/P...20Mac%20en.dmg

Does any one as a way to test it ? thanks

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[ryanwilkinson]

Since I do have boot camp, I should be able to try it using my other computer as a server and running it that way. I will let you know. Tomorrow I might be able to get to it.

Ryan

[aphylotus]

Hi Emiliano,

the idea of being able to load the BootCamp Installed windows over Parallels seems to be a great feature, really loving the idea, have numeros situations where this is very usefull.

So I tried the beta link, installed it, but, unfortunately, it does not work, as soon as I try to start the virtual machine, it reports :

"Unable to open disk image Boot Camp!" (Have a screenshot attached).

Do You have the link to the place where they announced the beta ? I may try to see if I find more informations about this, and post the error there.

I cannot tell You if the DP2000 is working well, but I can put parallels as a master and use my ipc as a slave.

Thanks,

Tom

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Originally Posted by aphylotus

Do You have the link to the place where they announced the beta ? I may try to see if I find more informations about this, and post the error there.

Hi Tom , I think you can find infos in here :

http://parallelsvirtualization.blogspot.com/

I'm un the emirates right now where all sites are blocked so I can't check .

Sorry .

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[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Originally Posted by aphylotus

I can put parallels as a master and use my ipc as a slave.

Ok did you try to load a big big big Show in it ?

( i wondering if network get busy with out dp's )

[ryanwilkinson]

you have to load software on to your bootcamp partition to be able to use that installation of windows. You can find the software on the parallels site.

If you can't find it, I can look for it again.

Ryan

[aphylotus]

I also was on the page You mentioned, I'll have to dig further there to find some informations, found none yet.

I did not try to load a huge show over paralles yet, but I did already download files in the VM which where very large, but I did never really check if there is a significant slowdown of the throuput. Or do You have problems whit not a constant bandwidth available ?

Anyhow, as soon as I have the parallels running with my bootcamp partition (i don't have a dedicated parallels partitions at the moment) I will do some network testings. Also together with Hog Shows.

Tom

[aphylotus]

Aha that might be an explanation. Well If You can provide me the link to this software (or the general beta page of parralels) would be very usefull, so I can give it a try-run.

Thanks,

Tom

[ryanwilkinson]

http://forums.parallels.com/thread5997.html

Instructions and software is listed on that.

[aphylotus]

Hello,

so I've tried the new Beta and here are my comments:

I had to change my windows partition from Fat32 to NTFS to get parallels to run (In Windows , command line : convert C: /ntfs)
Installing the Parallels tools (Thanks Ryan)
Then it worked fine, but the system was really slow, this was due to the bootcamp Apple Keyboard Driver (KybMgr.exe) which was taking up most of the CPU, so I have to kill this one on every Boot (using TaskManager)

Beside these Problems everything works fine, Hog3PC runs smoothly, and I've tried some big downloads, and no real slowdown of the network or other network-related problems arised.

So I really admire the latest beta of parallels, this was jhust the bit that was missing between bootcamp & parallels. If You need a quick adjustment in Windows, You use parallels, for Graphic-consuming Applications, You boot into Bootcamp. Really Really cool stuff.

Cheers,

Tom

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Finally Hog3 pc on mac !!! the new beta of parallels allow to run windows applications on mac osX . Actually it's just a trick but work really well .
Hog it work good if connected to hog3 consolle server .

Keep crash if I open color picker .

[ryanwilkinson]

Yea, I tried to get it to work, then I found out I wouldn't be able to use fat32 any longer.. I don't know if I should convert it or not yet because then I think it wouldn't be able to read the mac hard drive. I am going to have to investigate this further.

Good to know it will work if I convert it.
Thanks, Ryan

[aphylotus]

Hi Ryan,

well I thought so too, NTFS in Read mode is pretty stable under linux kernels, but write mode was always very beta.
So I gave it a try, and after the ntfs conversion, the ntfs volume is still mounted in mac os x, can read the drive, but I am not able to write to it, as expected.

Well reading directly from the partition is okay for me, writing thru parallels with the shared folder is also okay, so for me it is a go.

That's my experience,

Tom

[ryanwilkinson]

Last night I converted it and it worked. But since I dont have a ton of ram, it ran slow and such. I will have to play with it when I get time. I am fairly busy these next few weeks.

Thanks, Ryan

[CRBatchelor]

HogPC USB Widgets unfortunatly seem to be pleged by the dreaded USB bug in parallels... But other than that, works great! I am currently sing the USB widget be booting into bootcamp.

[ocramarco]

Is there a chance voor een native MacOSX van de Hog software?
I'm waiting for it ;-)

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Originally Posted by ocramarco

Is there a chance voor een native MacOSX van de Hog software?
I'm waiting for it ;-)

There is no need for it . Since Mac run Intel processors the best way it's to run HOG 2/3 PC using windows & boot camp . If you don't want to use beta software wait april and get Mac OsX 10.5 Leopard . Boot Camp will be beta any more .

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[aphylotus]

Hello,

Hog2PC is also running on x86 Macs in OS X directly using wine. I've tried it tonite after I read this post. did not manage to run hog3pc yet. But using wine you can run hog2 under linux and mac, seems to work great. Added a ScreenShot of Hog2.

Is this okay to run it that way or is it a copyright issue ? I can post some informations on how to do so, if there is some interest.

I'll try if I can succeed in running hog3 too, would be nice, at least you do need to buy parallels and a version of window$

Tom

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Originally Posted by aphylotus

Hello,

Hog2PC is also running on x86 Macs in OS X directly using wine. I've tried it tonite after I read this post. did not manage to run hog3pc yet. But using wine you can run hog2 under linux and mac, seems to work great. Added a ScreenShot of Hog2.

Wow ! that's great ! thanks for the good news !

[aphylotus]

Hi again,

played a bit around with wine on mac, hog2pc is running without any problems, fonts graphics speed, everything is there.

but Hog3PC seems to be a lot trickier, spent quite some time on it, but beside the welcome screen, which show the hog logo quickly then becomes grey, and with the list box under it (showing a horizontal fader, but no arrows and no content). the IP and Mac Address infos in this window show all 0, only the date time is correct. (Screenshot of this window, but without the flyingpig logo, it disapears too quickly)

Then after a few seconds, it quits the applications, and creates a dump file.

Don't know, is anybody at highend interested in this debug file, or is this totally against the philosophy (not allowed to do such playing with wine) ?

I can surely give this debug files and do some further testing.

Also I can give some informations how I did it to get the Hog2 running under MacOS, if High-End does allow it

Just keep me informed,

Cheers,

Tom

[ryanwilkinson]

I had Hog 2pc running on wine, then I upgraded my beta a month ago then I couldn't get it running again. Which bottle do I need to use? Win XP or 2000? My guess with 3pc is that because wine is emulating a windows environment and isn't like the actual version, there is no registry and such. I a pretty sure that without wine creating a lot more stuff to the application, it won't work.


Ryan

[aphylotus]

Hi Ryan,

I was using the latest version of wine, which I compiled by hand. but also darwine was running the software, but the fonts did not work there. But might be that they are now okay, because I've installed freetype later on together with wine. The emulation of wine is "windows XP".

About the Hog3PC, wine is emulating the registry, I can install Hog3PC from the msi without problems, the registry is well written. The Server component of Hog3PC seem to run without problems, also the On screen Keyboard does well.
Maybe it hangs before the count of the network interfaces. Hard to find out, debugging messages of wine did not reveal any further details.

[teerickson]

Tom,

As you're aware, Hog 3PC is only supported on Windows XP Service Pack 2. What you're trying to do is completely and absolutely unsupported.

I know very little about WINE, but my understanding is that it basically intercepts all of the Win32 API calls and attempts to translate them to *nix calls. I'm not entirely surprised that something isn't working properly, although things probably aren't as bad as they could be. Since Hog 3PC isn't a .NET application, that should make things much easier.

I won't be able to have any of our developers look into your problem or debug your dump file, but because I appreciate what you're trying to do and everything you've contributed here on the forums, I'd be willing to take a quick look just to see where it's crashing. It's possible that it's something obvious that might be easy to work around. You're welcome to send it to me using our upload site at http://upload.highend.com.

Thanks.

[aphylotus]

Hi Tom,

Yes I know it is not supported, and it is not meant to be of a real production use, let's call it a challenge, if it would work would be great, by having an unofficial how-to, the people using mac or linux would be able to use the software to do some stuff offline. Hog2 is really usable, amazing.

So if You have some spare time, I will put the dump file on the upload in a few minutes.

Thanks a lot, tom

[aphylotus]

Hi again,

I am back at home, so more time for a more complete answer. Yes wine is an API layer on top of *nix and X, which emulates the native windows API calls, but it can also take normal windows DLLs and run these against the code. It also has a "virtual Drive", and the whole registry is available for the system.

I played around with Wine several times, and last evening, I thought, let's give it a try for Hog3PC. Because Your msi installer requires that Service Pack 2 is installed, but Wine cannot "emulate" this state, I changed this need, so I was able to install the software using the normal Hog3 .msi package.

Also running wine in several debug modes did not reveal what might be the cause why it is not running. So, well if it does not run, no problem, I was just curious if it would be possible.

Wine is really great, very well written, a real great piece of free software.

What do You like about the Idea ? (I am just curious).

If You want, I can make a small how-to for Hog2PC, if You would like to share this information with other users ? (even if it is also not supported).

Cheers,

Tom

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Originally Posted by teerickson

Tom,

As you're aware, Hog 3PC is only supported on Windows XP Service Pack 2. What you're trying to do is completely and absolutely unsupported.

Indeed , it may be good only for patch or other services .

I wount suggest to use a Hog 2 or 3 using parallels or wine my self .

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[aphylotus]

Hi,Emiliano, exactly, that's the use I also see.

Wine is very quick, and if You had an icon on the mac/Linux Desktop, which will start the application in about a second.

Also, no need to buy parallels and a windows license just for using it on the mac to start these applications is also nice.

Because starting parallels takes some time, and a lot of memory, so I don't have the reflex to start it over and over again because I've forgotten something in HogXPC.

And Bootcamp is the same story, also, like parallels, a great tool, but for quick application switching not the best solution in terms of speed (and battery life

But absolutely a 100% do no use shout for a production environment

Tom

[emilianomorgia@mac.com]

Originally Posted by aphylotus

Hi,Emiliano, exactly, that's the use I also see.

Wine is very quick, and if You had an icon on the mac/Linux Desktop, which will start the application in about a second.

Also, no need to buy parallels and a windows license just for using it on the mac to start these applications is also nice.

Because starting parallels takes some time, and a lot of memory, so I don't have the reflex to start it over and over again because I've forgotten something in HogXPC.

And Bootcamp is the same story, also, like parallels, a great tool, but for quick application switching not the best solution in terms of speed (and battery life

But absolutely a 100% do no use shout for a production environment

Tom

HAHAHAHA cute ! I've Parallels licence , a blody windows license !!! ( I hate my self for spendeing money on that ) and bootcamp .

I'll try wine as well ( I tough it wount work for hog pc , I did understand it was working only for some applications )

BTW , on the other end bootcamp , it's just windows 100% there is not beta , no emulation , no virtualization . BootCamp it's not an emulator ( BINE )

Using Bootcamp I'll use a hog pc in a show .

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[aphylotus]

I also have all these licenses, well you really cannot get around them
Yes wine is good for playing around, I use it f.ex to have Internet Explorer directly available under Mac OS (for web development, to see if this so called browser does what it is expected to do).
Hog2PC is working in wine without any problems, you may try "darwine" so you have a nice interface and easy to setup. Or You can go the hard way and compile wine, freetype and all the other items. also X-Code is needed to properly compile wine.

Bootcamp is perfect, I use Hog3PC also there in a good way, also ESPVison is running perfectly, because You have native Hardware support (in this case the ATI Power, and the exact response from the timers)

Bootcamp is the choice for mission critical windows applications (well this title is a joke in itself , parallels for application I need aside mac applications. Wine for applications I quickly need, and I close directly afterwards again.

Ah I really like these x86 Macs Waiting for my MacPro to finally arrive
Never wanted a mac, until I tried one, coming from the *nix world, I finally found a great hardware, which is running unix and where the whole hardware is working perfectly, powermanagment graphics and so on, which was a real pain under linux.

Cheers,

Tom

[marrydavidson101]

It did not come with a library disk, and although I've tried to create one, the board is not reading it. I'm sure there needs to be some file or something on this disk other than the libraries that I found online in order to get the Hog 600 to read it, but I'm not sure how to find it, what to name it on the disk, or anything. I am a technological moron. If someone could give me some advice, at least on creating a library disk solely for our conventional lighting, it would give me a pace to start to play around with it.
thankyou

[sumansameer]

I was fiddling around with capture the other day and about halfway through a show I wondered which of the four visualisers was the most preferred.